From: Adam Van Ymeren <adam@vany.ca>
To: guix-devel@gnu.org, Julie Marchant <onpon4@riseup.net>,
Workgroup for fully free GNU/Linux distributions
<gnu-linux-libre@nongnu.org>, Brett Gilio <brettg@posteo.net>,
bill-auger <bill-auger@peers.community>
Subject: Re: [GNU-linux-libre] [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium.
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:37:30 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <C60662C4-F60B-4CFF-8F84-E1734DDFA1B7@vany.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a44944b0-cba4-b5b4-b6e5-f975fc321103@riseup.net>
On February 16, 2019 9:18:58 AM EST, Julie Marchant <onpon4@riseup.net> wrote:
>On 02/16/2019 05:25 AM, Brett Gilio wrote:
>> I agree with everything Bill said in his message, and I heavily
>> encourage all of us lurking in this mailing list with an opinion on
>the
>> matter to please state your opinion on this controversy and the Guix
>> relationship to the FSDG.
>>
>> The free software guidelines are first and foremost put up by the
>free
>> software community by what is specified to be important to the values
>of
>> free software. This needs to be addressed sooner than later, because
>the
>> act of solidarity on the part of the community here is a tremendously
>> crucial and singular event.
>>
>> I'd like to see the offerings of free software to grow, and include
>> chromium if chromium has a reasonable method of liberation. But there
>is
>> yet to be a complete audit to identify the problems. We can not rely
>> solely on speculation, so lets get to the bottom of this once and for
>> all.
>
>I think that assuming Chromium is no good until something no good is
>found in it is a wrong approach.
>
>I don't understand what's so complicated about this issue. In justice
>systems, we adopt an "innocent until proven guilty" system because you
>can't really prove innocence, only guilt. Would it not make sense to
>use
>this tried and tested system when evaluating whether or not a program
>is
>libre? The only argument I've seen on the matter is the way copyright
>works, but Chromium is under the Modified BSD License according to
>documentation I was able to find. If some files are not actually
>covered
>by this license, or some other license, it would be very easy to simply
>point to the file. As far as I know, and correct me if I'm wrong here,
>no one in the entire history of this claim about Chromium being
>proprietary has ever done so. If I'm wrong about this, though, then it
>seems to me that the correct action to take would be to address that
>issue, if not upstream, then in a fork.
This issue documents some chromium efforts to update to copyright on all files. I haven't looked at the source myself yet but this bug suggests that there are still hundreds to thousand's of files with no clear license.
https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=28291
Someone should run their check licenses script again on the latest codebase and see what it reports.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-02-16 15:38 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
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2019-02-02 19:20 ` [PATCH] gnu: Add ungoogled-chromium Marius Bakke
2019-02-03 18:16 ` Joshua Branson
2019-02-04 4:52 ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 5:52 ` brettg
2019-02-04 7:46 ` Ineiev
2019-02-04 10:56 ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 14:43 ` Jean Louis
2019-02-04 12:26 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Julie Marchant
2019-02-04 15:03 ` bill-auger
2019-02-04 22:34 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-02-06 21:04 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Marius Bakke
2019-02-07 23:52 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-02-07 23:59 ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-16 8:00 ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 10:25 ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-16 14:18 ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-16 15:37 ` Adam Van Ymeren [this message]
2019-02-16 19:47 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2019-02-16 20:01 ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-16 20:06 ` Brett Gilio
2019-02-17 1:39 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 22:33 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Ricardo Wurmus
2019-02-18 12:05 ` bill-auger
2019-02-18 12:15 ` Hartmut Goebel
2019-02-18 13:44 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2019-02-18 19:22 ` Simon Nielsen
2019-02-19 20:45 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " bill-auger
2019-02-16 20:07 ` Alex Griffin
2019-02-17 1:49 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 1:37 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 2:30 ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-17 2:42 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 4:19 ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-17 7:43 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 14:06 ` Julie Marchant
2019-02-18 7:43 ` bill-auger
2019-02-17 20:55 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-02-16 11:16 ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-02-16 12:55 ` ng0
2019-02-16 13:10 ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-02-18 13:47 ` Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli
2019-02-16 15:10 ` znavko
2019-02-16 15:50 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-16 16:20 ` [GNU-linux-libre] " Amin Bandali
2019-02-16 16:33 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-16 19:27 ` Amin Bandali
2019-02-17 2:20 ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 16:34 ` Alexandre Oliva
2019-02-16 16:54 ` Marius Bakke
2019-02-17 3:38 ` bill-auger
2019-02-16 18:56 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-19 16:28 ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2019-02-09 14:04 ` Adonay Felipe Nogueira
2019-02-03 20:21 ` Amin Bandali
2019-02-05 5:22 ` [bug#28004] " swedebugia
2019-02-12 15:58 ` [PATCH v2] " Marius Bakke
2019-02-18 22:43 ` [bug#28004] " Marius Bakke
2019-02-16 18:46 [GNU-linux-libre] [PATCH] " Clément Lassieur
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