From: Andrew Tropin <andrewtropin@gmail.com>
To: Liliana Marie Prikler <liliana.prikler@gmail.com>, guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Multiple profiles with Guix Home
Date: Wed, 25 May 2022 14:01:22 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wne9q3jx.fsf@trop.in> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <31aad8f29ff43cc27432936227aa7c8edff76265.camel@gmail.com>
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On 2022-05-24 20:31, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Am Dienstag, dem 24.05.2022 um 14:55 +0300 schrieb Andrew Tropin:
>> On 2022-05-23 19:05, Liliana Marie Prikler wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > I don't think I agree with this choice. To satisfy both my own use
>> > case of serving profiles in different locations from another and
>> > another issue being raised w.r.t. configuring the location of the
>> > .guix-home profile, I think we should make a triple of location,
>> > optional short name, and manifest (which may be generated from
>> > packages implicitly). WDYT?
>> >
>>
>> This service is intended for profiles managed by Guix Home, so every
>> profile MUST be a part of home-environment (~/.guix-home is a symlink
>> to it). I don't see any meaningful reasons to make it possible to
>> customize the path inside home-environment.
> Why though? The decision to restrict Guix Home to dotfiles was already
> a bad one that has since been overturned, so I think we should
> carefully evaluate why "~/.guix-home" even is special. In my point of
> view, any path that is prefixed with the user's home ought to be fair
> game, as should be constructing intermediate per-user profile symlinks
> in /var/guix.
It's not bad, it had and has its own goals, pros and cons, I found
another design descision, which we think is more intuitive, but still
partially serving original goals and we switched to it. The disucssion
about ~/.guix-home symlink itself is unrelated to both "dotfiles
question" and my original statement.
All dot/xdg/other files belong to home-environment and no side-effects
are done during the build of home-environment, the only side-effects
happens during activation and $HOME touched only by symlink-manager and
I would like to keep it to be the case, otherwise we will end up with
tons of stateful ad-hoc hacks.
That said, I would like to avoid any Guix Home logic to rely on paths
outside of home-environment. In case you really need
~/work/my-project/guix-profile to be created for some reason you can
extend home-files-service-type and rely on symlink-manager to do this
dirty job, but the setup-environment script will still source
home-environment/profiles/your-profile-name and won't know anything
about ~/work/my-project/guix-profile.
>> If you want to have profiles like ~/work/my-project/guix-profile or
>> ~/.guix/profiles/my-python-environment managed by Guix Home you can
>> implement home-external-profiles-service-type, which can extended
>> activation service or any other impure tricks, but I would advice
>> against it. I suggest either manage a profile with
>> home-[additional-]-profiles or manage them externally and load with
>> home-profile-paths/home-profile-loader.
> Pardon me if I was confusing, but I meant to have one service defining
> the existence of ~/work/my-project/guix-profile (that being home-
> profiles-service-type) and another to load it (that being home-profile-
> loader-service-type). Admittedly, the existing way of specifying a
> profile that is loaded becomes more work then, so perhaps we can add
> some syntactic sugar to that, so that both services get extended at
> once.
>
>> > Considering the above, I think a rough roadmap would be:
>> > 1. Implementing home-profiles-service-type (to build the profiles)
>> > 2. Implementing home-profile-loader-service-type
>>
>> This one looks simplier and also independent from #1, so I would
>> recommend to start with it. Also, it's very likely that
>> home-profiles-service-type will be extending
>> home-profile-loader-service-type
> I thought about it for some while, but I really don't think either is
> easier than the other, particularly in the way I described it, where
> home-profiles-service-type and home-profile-loader-service-type are
> orthogonal to each other.
>
>> > 3. ???
>> > 4. Deprecate the existing home-profile-service-type in favor of the
>> > new profile service type pair and/or implement it in terms of it.
>> > where (1) and (2) could be done by two people/teams in parallel.
>>
>> The migration should be quite simple here.
>>
>> JFYI: The design of Guix Home is flexible, essential services can be
>> completely customized, even symlink-manager can be removed or
>> substituted with something else (for example to make a read-only home
>> workflow proposed by Julien Lepiller in guix-home-manager). This is
>> also used in rde to substitute home-shell-profile-service-type with
>> alternative implementation:
>> https://git.sr.ht/~abcdw/rde/tree/master/item/rde/features.scm#L234
> I'm not sure if I'm that fond of this design choice – it reminds me a
> bit about OOP horrors I was forced to learn. Anyway, I don't think
> it's relevant, as...
>> This way you can experiment with multi-profile approach even without
>> modifying existing code.
> I was planning to run guix home from checkout with $HOME in /tmp anyway
> for testing purposes.
>
>> > Given that the task has been simplified, I think I might start
>> > coding on it, but I can't promise any particular deadline. At the
>> > moments both my day job and review work delay any other
>> > contributions towards Guix.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>>
>> I also advice to treat it as an experiment. IMO Guix Home should be
>> relatively conservative, stable and simple. Other advanced workflows
>> in most cases should be implemented and maintained separately and be
>> optionally pluggable in Guix Home by overriding essential services or
>> any other way. In cases such workflows demonstrates their benifits
>> without compromising simplicity, they can be included.
> I initially planned for the new stuff to be backwards compatible by way
> of sanitizers. That probably still works for the design we have
> currently, though YMMV.
Let's get some initial implementation done and will continue the
discussion on more real-life examples.
--
Best regards,
Andrew Tropin
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Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-03 10:50 Multiple profiles with Guix Home Liliana Marie Prikler
2021-10-04 7:17 ` zimoun
2021-10-04 8:11 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-03 14:13 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-03 18:34 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-03 19:13 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-03 20:04 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-03 20:39 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-03 20:44 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 9:25 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-03 20:59 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 4:16 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-04 7:01 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 7:08 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 13:15 ` Reza Housseini
2022-05-04 13:46 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 18:14 ` zimoun
2022-05-04 18:21 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 8:01 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-04 18:38 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-04 20:41 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 4:25 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 10:53 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 16:24 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 16:33 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 17:21 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 17:29 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 11:03 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 16:31 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 16:42 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 17:12 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 17:27 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 17:41 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 19:17 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 19:42 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:20 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 18:00 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 19:08 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 19:44 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 23:53 ` zimoun
2022-05-05 20:13 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:53 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 21:28 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-06 4:19 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-07 23:06 ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-05-05 20:50 ` zimoun
2022-05-05 18:25 ` zimoun
2022-05-03 21:11 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 4:23 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-04 6:57 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 9:24 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-04 13:05 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-05 11:05 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 16:22 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 17:07 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 17:19 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 17:29 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 18:24 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 20:14 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:27 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-05 20:38 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:41 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-05 20:26 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-06 18:40 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-06 19:54 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-06 21:32 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-07 7:17 ` Maxime Devos
2022-05-23 13:14 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-23 17:05 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-24 11:55 ` Andrew Tropin
2022-05-24 18:31 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-25 11:01 ` Andrew Tropin [this message]
2022-05-25 23:36 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
2022-05-27 12:52 ` andrew
2022-05-27 13:14 ` Liliana Marie Prikler
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