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* On the road to the next release: testing the installer
@ 2024-02-06  7:31 Tanguy LE CARROUR
  2024-02-06 12:52 ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
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From: Tanguy LE CARROUR @ 2024-02-06  7:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Guix Devel

Hello Guix,

In order to test the latest installer, I went to the "latest download"
page [1] and clicked on "x86_64-linux" under "GNU Guix System on Linux"
and ended up on an error page [2]:

"""
{"error":"Could not find the requested build product."}
"""

[1]: https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/latest/
[2]: https://ci.guix.gnu.org/download/1907

If I follow the link "Build details: x86_64-linux" I end up on Cuirass
where the build output [3] is available for download.

[3]: https://ci.guix.gnu.org/download/1907

When I click, unsurprisingly, I get the same error message.

Is it the ISO that has to be tested? How can I download it?

Regards.

-- 
Tanguy


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* Re: On the road to the next release: testing the installer
  2024-02-06  7:31 On the road to the next release: testing the installer Tanguy LE CARROUR
@ 2024-02-06 12:52 ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
  2024-02-09 11:24   ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tanguy LE CARROUR @ 2024-02-06 12:52 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Guix Devel

Quoting Tanguy LE CARROUR (2024-02-06 08:31:39)
> In order to test the latest installer, I went to the "latest download"
> page [1] and clicked on "x86_64-linux" under "GNU Guix System on Linux"
> and ended up on an error page [2]:
> […]
> Is it the ISO that has to be tested? How can I download it?

I guess that part of the answer to my question is "build it yourself" [1], right?!

[1]: https://guix.gnu.org/en/manual/devel/en/html_node/Building-the-Installation-Image.html

Regards.

-- 
Tanguy


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* Re: On the road to the next release: testing the installer
  2024-02-06 12:52 ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
@ 2024-02-09 11:24   ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
  2024-02-10 10:35     ` Josselin Poiret
  2024-02-10 10:43     ` Vivien Kraus
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tanguy LE CARROUR @ 2024-02-09 11:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Guix Devel

Hi Guix,

Here is the report of my first attempt at reinstalling Guix System
in a reeeeally long time!


Quoting Tanguy LE CARROUR (2024-02-06 13:52:31)
> Quoting Tanguy LE CARROUR (2024-02-06 08:31:39)
> > In order to test the latest installer, I went to the "latest download"
> > page [1] and clicked on "x86_64-linux" under "GNU Guix System on Linux"
> > and ended up on an error page [2]:
> > […]
> > Is it the ISO that has to be tested? How can I download it?
> 
> I guess that part of the answer to my question is "build it yourself" [1], right?!
> 
> [1]: https://guix.gnu.org/en/manual/devel/en/html_node/Building-the-Installation-Image.html

As I was reinstalling my computer at work and I was in a bit of a hurry,
I had created 2 USB stick installers:
- 1 that I built myself from the latest master; and
- 1 that I downloaded from the website for the previous release.

I went for the full disk encryption everything on one partition!
I selected no Window Manager as I’m a happy Sway user and it’s not in
the list.

The installer completed successfully and I rebooted.

Grub asked me right away my passphrase and… it did not work! 😱
After several attempts, I figured out that the keyboard layout
was apparently set to `qwerty` even though I had selected `bépo AFNOR`
during the configuration. When I eventually typed my passphrase
in `querty` Grub started and boot my system and… I had to type the
passphrase a second time, but, fortunately this time in `bépo`!
I checked the `config.scm` and the layout was properly set in the
bootloader declaration.

I then reconfigured my `guix home` and logged back and… the script
that runs on first login failed for `XDG_RUNTIME_DIR` was not set!
I checked and `/run/user/1000` was not even present.

I was already 1 hour in and running late on something I had to do for a client
so… I decided to re-install with the installer from the previous release!
So much for testing the latest installer! 😞

I ran into the same keyboard layout with Grub, so I guess it’s a bug
that is not specific to the new installer.
I than reconfigured my system and my home and… *voilà*, I was back… home!
So, the `XDG_RUNTIME_DIR` error might be related to the current installer!?

I’ll definitively give it another try, but in less… stressful circumstances.
I’ll dedicate a spare disk and use my Thinkpad as I can easily swap the disk
without having to unscrew everything.
If this setup is as convenient as I think it should be, than I can
dedicate some time more often to testing the installer.

That’s all for me for today!

Regards,

-- 
Tanguy


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* Re: On the road to the next release: testing the installer
  2024-02-09 11:24   ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
@ 2024-02-10 10:35     ` Josselin Poiret
  2024-02-10 12:35       ` Romain
  2024-02-10 10:43     ` Vivien Kraus
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Josselin Poiret @ 2024-02-10 10:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

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Hi Tanguy,

Tanguy LE CARROUR <tanguy@bioneland.org> writes:

> Grub asked me right away my passphrase and… it did not work! 😱
> After several attempts, I figured out that the keyboard layout
> was apparently set to `qwerty` even though I had selected `bépo AFNOR`
> during the configuration. When I eventually typed my passphrase
> in `querty` Grub started and boot my system and… I had to type the
> passphrase a second time, but, fortunately this time in `bépo`!
> I checked the `config.scm` and the layout was properly set in the
> bootloader declaration.

We don't try to embed the required keymap in the GRUB image and load it
early on.  It shouldn't be too hard, but would require a bit of
refactoring.

> I then reconfigured my `guix home` and logged back and… the script
> that runs on first login failed for `XDG_RUNTIME_DIR` was not set!
> I checked and `/run/user/1000` was not even present.

This is usually a symptom of elogind's PAM module not running/working.
Did you use %desktop-services as a base for services?

Best,
-- 
Josselin Poiret

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* Re: On the road to the next release: testing the installer
  2024-02-09 11:24   ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
  2024-02-10 10:35     ` Josselin Poiret
@ 2024-02-10 10:43     ` Vivien Kraus
  2024-02-10 12:01       ` Tomas Volf
  2024-02-10 17:43       ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Vivien Kraus @ 2024-02-10 10:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

Le vendredi 09 février 2024 à 12:24 +0100, Tanguy LE CARROUR a écrit :
> Grub asked me right away my passphrase and… it did not work! 😱
> After several attempts, I figured out that the keyboard layout
> was apparently set to `qwerty` even though I had selected `bépo
> AFNOR`
> during the configuration. When I eventually typed my passphrase
> in `querty` Grub started and boot my system and… I had to type the
> passphrase a second time, but, fortunately this time in `bépo`!
> I checked the `config.scm` and the layout was properly set in the
> bootloader declaration.
This is unfortunate, but a known workaround is to boot and log in, then
run cryptsetup luksAddKey <the device>, then enter your passphrase (to
unlock the drive), then switch your keyboard layout to qwerty, then hit
the exact same keys, and confirm by hitting the exact same keys. So
now, you can unlock the drive with either your passphrase in a bépo
layout or your passphrase in a qwerty layout.


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* Re: On the road to the next release: testing the installer
  2024-02-10 10:43     ` Vivien Kraus
@ 2024-02-10 12:01       ` Tomas Volf
  2024-02-10 17:43       ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tomas Volf @ 2024-02-10 12:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Vivien Kraus; +Cc: Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

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On 2024-02-10 11:43:33 +0100, Vivien Kraus wrote:
> Le vendredi 09 février 2024 à 12:24 +0100, Tanguy LE CARROUR a écrit :
> > Grub asked me right away my passphrase and… it did not work! 😱
> > After several attempts, I figured out that the keyboard layout
> > was apparently set to `qwerty` even though I had selected `bépo
> > AFNOR`
> > during the configuration. When I eventually typed my passphrase
> > in `querty` Grub started and boot my system and… I had to type the
> > passphrase a second time, but, fortunately this time in `bépo`!
> > I checked the `config.scm` and the layout was properly set in the
> > bootloader declaration.
> This is unfortunate, but a known workaround is to boot and log in, then
> run cryptsetup luksAddKey <the device>, then enter your passphrase (to
> unlock the drive), then switch your keyboard layout to qwerty, then hit
> the exact same keys, and confirm by hitting the exact same keys. So
> now, you can unlock the drive with either your passphrase in a bépo
> layout or your passphrase in a qwerty layout.
>

It would probably make sense to have the second (qwerty) password in the first
key slot, to make the unlocking faster.

Or, just use the key file unlock and enter password just once (albeit it would
be the qwerty one).

Have a nice day,
Tomas Volf

--
There are only two hard things in Computer Science:
cache invalidation, naming things and off-by-one errors.

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* Re: On the road to the next release: testing the installer
  2024-02-10 10:35     ` Josselin Poiret
@ 2024-02-10 12:35       ` Romain
  2024-02-10 14:59         ` Josselin Poiret
  2024-02-10 17:47         ` On the road to the next release: testing the installer Tanguy LE CARROUR
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Romain @ 2024-02-10 12:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Josselin Poiret, Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

Hi,

On February 10, 2024 11:35:56 AM GMT+01:00, Josselin Poiret <dev@jpoiret.xyz> wrote:
>Hi Tanguy,
>
>Tanguy LE CARROUR <tanguy@bioneland.org> writes:
>
>> Grub asked me right away my passphrase and… it did not work! 😱
>> After several attempts, I figured out that the keyboard layout
>> was apparently set to `qwerty` even though I had selected `bépo AFNOR`
>> during the configuration. When I eventually typed my passphrase
>> in `querty` Grub started and boot my system and… I had to type the
>> passphrase a second time, but, fortunately this time in `bépo`!
>> I checked the `config.scm` and the layout was properly set in the
>> bootloader declaration.
>
>We don't try to embed the required keymap in the GRUB image and load it
>early on.  It shouldn't be too hard, but would require a bit of
>refactoring.
>

I started looking at this issue as I am also using full encryption with Guix system.
If someone familiar with the grub-bootloader module would give me a few pointers, I'd be happy to work on fixing it. AFAIR, I couldn't figure out how to access to the grub configuration in the code installing the grub image on disk.

-- 
Romain


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* Re: On the road to the next release: testing the installer
  2024-02-10 12:35       ` Romain
@ 2024-02-10 14:59         ` Josselin Poiret
  2024-02-11 20:33           ` Keyboard layout in GRUB (Was: On the road to the next release: testing the installer) Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
  2024-02-10 17:47         ` On the road to the next release: testing the installer Tanguy LE CARROUR
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Josselin Poiret @ 2024-02-10 14:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Romain, Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

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Hi Romain,

Romain <romain@rgarbage.fr> writes:

> Hi,
>
> On February 10, 2024 11:35:56 AM GMT+01:00, Josselin Poiret <dev@jpoiret.xyz> wrote:
>>We don't try to embed the required keymap in the GRUB image and load it
>>early on.  It shouldn't be too hard, but would require a bit of
>>refactoring.
>>
>
> I started looking at this issue as I am also using full encryption with Guix system.
> If someone familiar with the grub-bootloader module would give me a few pointers, I'd be happy to work on fixing it. AFAIR, I couldn't figure out how to access to the grub configuration in the code installing the grub image on disk.

The grub configuration is generated by make-grub-configuration in
gnu/bootloader/grub.scm.  The idea would be to add the generated
keyboard layout to the initial grub image, and make sure that
keyboard-layout-config appears first in the generated config.

Best,
-- 
Josselin Poiret

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* Re: On the road to the next release: testing the installer
  2024-02-10 10:43     ` Vivien Kraus
  2024-02-10 12:01       ` Tomas Volf
@ 2024-02-10 17:43       ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tanguy LE CARROUR @ 2024-02-10 17:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Guix Devel, Vivien Kraus

Hi Vivien,

Quoting Vivien Kraus (2024-02-10 11:43:33)
> Le vendredi 09 février 2024 à 12:24 +0100, Tanguy LE CARROUR a écrit :
> > Grub asked me right away my passphrase and… it did not work! 😱
> > After several attempts, I figured out that the keyboard layout
> > was apparently set to `qwerty` even though I had selected `bépo
> > AFNOR`
> > during the configuration. When I eventually typed my passphrase
> > in `querty` Grub started and boot my system and… I had to type the
> > passphrase a second time, but, fortunately this time in `bépo`!
> > I checked the `config.scm` and the layout was properly set in the
> > bootloader declaration.
> This is unfortunate, but a known workaround is to boot and log in, then
> run cryptsetup luksAddKey <the device>, then enter your passphrase (to
> unlock the drive), then switch your keyboard layout to qwerty, then hit
> the exact same keys, and confirm by hitting the exact same keys. So
> now, you can unlock the drive with either your passphrase in a bépo
> layout or your passphrase in a qwerty layout.

Thanks! Actually, someone suggested exactly the same thing during
the last Guix@Paris. The other options were:

- have a second Qwerty keyboard around when booting; and
- do some voodoo magic with the boot partition.

I’ll definitively give a try to the `luksAddKey` on Monday.

Regards.

-- 
Tanguy


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* Re: On the road to the next release: testing the installer
  2024-02-10 12:35       ` Romain
  2024-02-10 14:59         ` Josselin Poiret
@ 2024-02-10 17:47         ` Tanguy LE CARROUR
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Tanguy LE CARROUR @ 2024-02-10 17:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Romain; +Cc: Guix Devel, Josselin Poiret

Hi Romain,


Quoting Romain (2024-02-10 13:35:14)
> On February 10, 2024 11:35:56 AM GMT+01:00, Josselin Poiret <dev@jpoiret.xyz> wrote:
> >Tanguy LE CARROUR <tanguy@bioneland.org> writes:
> >
> >> Grub asked me right away my passphrase and… it did not work! 😱
> >> […]
> >
> >We don't try to embed the required keymap in the GRUB image and load it
> >early on.  It shouldn't be too hard, but would require a bit of
> >refactoring.
> 
> I started looking at this issue as I am also using full encryption with Guix system.
> If someone familiar with the grub-bootloader module would give me a few pointers, I'd be happy to work on fixing it. AFAIR, I couldn't figure out how to access to the grub configuration in the code installing the grub image on disk.

Totally out of my comfort zone, I’m afraid! 😅

But it would definitively make sense to fix that as it could scare new
comers away.


-- 
Tanguy


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* Keyboard layout in GRUB (Was: On the road to the next release: testing the installer)
  2024-02-10 14:59         ` Josselin Poiret
@ 2024-02-11 20:33           ` Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
  2024-02-12 10:29             ` Josselin Poiret
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution. @ 2024-02-11 20:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Josselin Poiret, Romain, Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

[unable to locate Romain's original message]

Hi Josselin,

On Sat, Feb 10 2024, Josselin Poiret wrote:

> The idea would be to ... make sure that keyboard-layout-config appears
> first in the generated config.

I do not suffer from the issue described here but rewrote the bootloader
code locally for more flexibility (and may be able to contribute
it). Could we simply move the reference to keyboard-layout-config here
up by a few lines?  [1]

On a side note, should issues like this be discussed in bugs on
Debbugs/Mumi?

Kind regards
Felix

[1] https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix.git/tree/gnu/bootloader/grub.scm#n515


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* Re: Keyboard layout in GRUB (Was: On the road to the next release: testing the installer)
  2024-02-11 20:33           ` Keyboard layout in GRUB (Was: On the road to the next release: testing the installer) Felix Lechner via Development of GNU Guix and the GNU System distribution.
@ 2024-02-12 10:29             ` Josselin Poiret
  2024-02-12 19:12               ` Romain
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Josselin Poiret @ 2024-02-12 10:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Felix Lechner, Romain, Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

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Hi Felix,

Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> writes:

> I do not suffer from the issue described here but rewrote the bootloader
> code locally for more flexibility (and may be able to contribute
> it). Could we simply move the reference to keyboard-layout-config here
> up by a few lines?  [1]

We could move it up and that would solve it for people not using
encrypted /boot I believe.  However, for people using encrypted /boot,
the keymap would never be loaded instead of loaded after unlocking the
volume.  The solution for that is to embed the keymap in the GRUB image,
so that it can always be found.

I believe we don't use grub-mkimage directly for the efi case for now,
which is the command we want to use to be able to include arbitrary
files in the image, hence my comment about the code needing some
refactoring.

Best,
-- 
Josselin Poiret

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* Re: Keyboard layout in GRUB (Was: On the road to the next release: testing the installer)
  2024-02-12 10:29             ` Josselin Poiret
@ 2024-02-12 19:12               ` Romain
  2024-02-13  9:35                 ` Josselin Poiret
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Romain @ 2024-02-12 19:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Josselin Poiret, Felix Lechner, Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

Hello,

On February 12, 2024 11:29:37 AM GMT+01:00, Josselin Poiret <dev@jpoiret.xyz> wrote:
>Hi Felix,
>
>Felix Lechner <felix.lechner@lease-up.com> writes:
>
>> I do not suffer from the issue described here but rewrote the bootloader
>> code locally for more flexibility (and may be able to contribute
>> it). Could we simply move the reference to keyboard-layout-config here
>> up by a few lines?  [1]
>
>We could move it up and that would solve it for people not using
>encrypted /boot I believe.  

IIRC, grub doesn't take the keymap into account unless the `at_keyboard` module is loaded. It is not the case at the moment.
Also there seems to be an incompatibility between this module and some laptop keyboards (for example I have a Thinkpad X220 with libreboot/seabios payload and the keyboard stopped working after loading this module).

>I believe we don't use grub-mkimage directly for the efi case for now,
>which is the command we want to use to be able to include arbitrary
>files in the image, hence my comment about the code needing some
>refactoring.

Even in the BIOS case, as far as I understood the code, the grub image installer function doesn't have access to `bootloader-configuration` data. I think that passing it down to this function would require some changes in the way the bootloader is installed. But I might have overseen something, that I why I was hoping for someone knowledgeable to jump in the discussion :)

-- 
Romain


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* Re: Keyboard layout in GRUB (Was: On the road to the next release: testing the installer)
  2024-02-12 19:12               ` Romain
@ 2024-02-13  9:35                 ` Josselin Poiret
  2024-02-13 11:36                   ` Romain
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 15+ messages in thread
From: Josselin Poiret @ 2024-02-13  9:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Romain, Felix Lechner, Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

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Hi Romain,

Romain <romain@rgarbage.fr> writes:

> IIRC, grub doesn't take the keymap into account unless the `at_keyboard` module is loaded. It is not the case at the moment.
> Also there seems to be an incompatibility between this module and some laptop keyboards (for example I have a Thinkpad X220 with libreboot/seabios payload and the keyboard stopped working after loading this module).
> [...]
> Even in the BIOS case, as far as I understood the code, the grub image installer function doesn't have access to `bootloader-configuration` data. I think that passing it down to this function would require some changes in the way the bootloader is installed. But I might have overseen something, that I why I was hoping for someone knowledgeable to jump in the discussion :)

No, you're right, that's the kind of refactoring I was thinking about.
It's not conceptually hard but kind of annoying to do.  Same for the
at_keyboard module, although I'm wondering how the current situation
works for you then.

Best,
-- 
Josselin Poiret

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* Re: Keyboard layout in GRUB (Was: On the road to the next release: testing the installer)
  2024-02-13  9:35                 ` Josselin Poiret
@ 2024-02-13 11:36                   ` Romain
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 15+ messages in thread
From: Romain @ 2024-02-13 11:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Josselin Poiret, Felix Lechner, Tanguy LE CARROUR, Guix Devel

Hi Josselin,

On February 13, 2024 10:35:42 AM GMT+01:00, Josselin Poiret <dev@jpoiret.xyz> wrote:
> Same for the
>at_keyboard module, although I'm wondering how the current situation
>works for you then.

As for now, the `at_keyboard` module is not loaded, only the default `console` module, with which I don't have any issue, apart from not having a localized keyboard layout.

Anyway, after grub unlocking the encrypted disk, the LUKS passphrase is then prompted from the initrd, which is properly localized.

BTW, I think that a nice feature for people using non-encrypted /boot would be to copy the kernel/unitrd files to /boot and generate the corresponding grub.cfg. This is a common behaviour in other distros (including NixOS).

Have a nice day,
Romain


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