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From: Mike Gerwitz <mtg@gnu.org>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: 22883@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22883: Authenticating a Git checkout
Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2016 00:24:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87bn3hwpgo.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bn3iz1xc.fsf_-_@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?\=22's\?\= message of "Fri, 03 Jun 2016 18:12:47 +0200")

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Ludo:

On Fri, Jun 03, 2016 at 18:12:47 +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> First, ‘git pull’ doesn’t do it for you, you have to pass ‘--verify’ and
> there’s no way to set it globally.

That's unfortunate.  Does your checkout scenario include a fresh clone?
If so, a pull flag wouldn't help there.

Leo mentioned a patch; I don't think that'd be too difficult (looking at
other config options in builtin/pull.c), and would be a great idea.  It
appears to pass it off to merge.c; that might be a useful area to verify
signatures as well (pull being a fetch && merge/rebase), in a general
sense.

> Second, even if it did, it would be a shallow check: as Mike notes in
> <https://mikegerwitz.com/papers/git-horror-story> with the ‘signchk’
> script, you actually have to traverse the whole commit history and
> authenticate them one by one.  But that’s OK, it runs in presumably less
> than a minute on a repo the size of Guix’s, and we could also stop at
> signed tags to avoid redundant checks.

Practically speaking, that's probably fine, though note that a signed
tag is just a signed hash of the commit it points to (with some
metadata), so you're trusting the integrity of SHA-1 and nothing
more.

With that said, the tag points to what will hopefully be a signed
commit, so if you verify the signature of the tag _and_ that commit,
that'd be even better.  Git's use of SHA-1 makes cryptographic
assurances difficult/awkward.

An occasional traversal of the entire DAG by, say, a CI script would
provide some pretty good confidence.  I wouldn't say it's necessary for
every pull.

> Third, as I wrote before¹, relying on the OpenPGP web of trust to
> determine whether a commit is “valid” is inappropriate: what we want to
> know is whether a commit was made by an authorized person, not whether
> it was made by someone who happens to have an OpenPGP key directly or
> indirectly certified.

If you want to keep with the convenience of the web of trust, then you
can have a keyring trusting only the appropriate Guix
hackers.  Otherwise, I agree.

> Fourth, there’s inversion of control: ‘git log’ & co. call out to ‘gpg’,
> so if we want to do something different than just ‘gpg --verify’, we
> have to put some other ‘gpg’ script in $PATH.  Blech.

What types of things are you considering?  Or are you just considering
the possibility?

I agree that it is awkward.  At the same time, making it configurable
(in the git sense) can potentially be very dangerous, because a
malicious script (e.g. configure) could just modify it to a noop
(e.g. `true`) and circumvent signature checks.

> Fifth, even if we did that, we’d be stuck parsing the possibly l10n’d
> output of ‘gpg’.  Pretty fragile.

In the log output?  You could use --pretty and %G*.  Otherwise, yes
parsing GPG's output seems dangerous; surely there's a better way (like
Leo mentioned).

> Well no, it turns out that libgit2³ has no support for signed commits
> (the ‘signature’ abstraction there has nothing to do with OpenPGP
> signatures.)

!? D:

That's more concerning from a community mindset standpoint than anything.

> Seventh, even if it did, what would we do with the raw ASCII-armored
> OpenPGP signature?  GPG and GPGME are waaaay too high-level, so we’d
> need to implement OpenPGP (in Guile, maybe based on the OpenPGP library
> in Bigloo?)?!

What about gpgme/libgcrypt?[*]

> I stumbled upon git-lockup⁴, which uses something other than OpenPGP to
> sign objects in Git.  However, signatures are not stored in commits but
> rather in “git notes”, which, IIUC, are mutable objects detached from
> the rest of the object store, so not great.

It seems a bit over-complicated.  Without reading much into it, it
doesn't strike me as much different than a detached signature, but the
problem is that the signature (as you implied) can just be
deleted.  Git's commit/tag signatures are embedded in the actual
object.  git-lockup also seems to hash "(branch,commitid) pairs", which
signs considerably less data than Git's signature would (unless it
actually signs the full object, not a string referencing it).


I'll have to read over your first reference (your message) and its
references; now I'm curious.


[*]: I was actually considering writing an FFI for libgcrypt (if it
doesn't exist already), but it made me uncomfortable without studying
whether Guile can make assurances that pointer-referenced data in
"secure" memory will never be copied anywhere else.  I was going to
bring it up in the near future on the guile mailing list after I did
some research myself; no need to derail the discussion here.

-- 
Mike Gerwitz
Free Software Hacker+Activist | GNU Maintainer & Volunteer
https://mikegerwitz.com
FSF Member #5804 | GPG Key ID: 0x8EE30EAB

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-04  4:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-02 18:03 bug#22883: Trustable "guix pull" Christopher Allan Webber
2016-03-02 19:26 ` Leo Famulari
2016-03-02 21:07   ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-04-25 22:25 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-04-26  0:13   ` Leo Famulari
2016-04-26  0:17     ` Thompson, David
2016-04-26  7:12       ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-04-30  4:43     ` Mike Gerwitz
2016-06-03 16:12       ` bug#22883: Authenticating a Git checkout Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-03 20:17         ` Leo Famulari
2016-06-04 11:04           ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-04  4:24         ` Mike Gerwitz [this message]
2016-06-04 11:17           ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-04 12:45             ` ng0
2016-06-06 12:20               ` ng0
2016-06-04 16:14             ` Mike Gerwitz
2016-06-05 20:39             ` Christopher Allan Webber
2016-06-05 21:15               ` Leo Famulari
2016-06-06  2:41               ` Mike Gerwitz
2016-06-06  7:01                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-07-22  8:22         ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-07-22 12:58           ` Thompson, David
2016-07-22 13:58             ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-10-24 23:30           ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-27 19:48             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-28 14:47               ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-28 16:05                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-28 17:45                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-04-30 15:32                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-05-01 15:46                   ` Justus Winter
2020-05-01 16:50                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-05-01 17:04                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-05-19 20:23                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-01 14:07                       ` bug#22883: Channel introductions Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-02 23:45                         ` zimoun
2020-06-03  9:50                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-03 16:20                             ` zimoun
2020-06-04  9:55                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-05-01 17:20                   ` bug#22883: Authenticating a Git checkout Ludovic Courtès
2020-05-02 22:02                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-05-04  8:03                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-01 16:47   ` bug#22883: Discussion of TUF in the context of Git checkout authentication Ludovic Courtès
2016-05-15 12:40 ` bug#22883: Trustable "guix pull" fluxboks
2016-05-16 17:55   ` Thompson, David
2016-05-17 21:19   ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-04 16:19 ` Werner Koch
2016-06-04 22:27   ` Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-05  7:51     ` Werner Koch
2016-06-06 21:01       ` Leo Famulari
2016-06-07  8:08         ` bug#22883: gpg2 vs. gpg Ludovic Courtès
2016-06-07 11:25           ` Werner Koch
2016-06-07 12:58             ` ng0
2016-06-05  1:43   ` bug#22883: Trustable "guix pull" Mike Gerwitz
2018-08-28 19:56 ` Vagrant Cascadian
2018-09-02 16:05   ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-02 17:15     ` Vagrant Cascadian
2018-09-02 20:07       ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-20 22:11         ` bug#22883: Authenticating Git checkouts: step #1 Ludovic Courtès
     [not found]         ` <87mubmodfb.fsf_-_@gnu.org>
2019-12-21  1:33           ` zimoun
2019-12-27 12:58           ` Ludovic Courtès
     [not found]           ` <87eewqgc1v.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-12-27 20:47             ` Ricardo Wurmus
     [not found]             ` <87o8vto5rl.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-12-29  2:45               ` Vagrant Cascadian
     [not found]               ` <87a77bzw6p.fsf@yucca>
2019-12-29  7:34                 ` Efraim Flashner
2019-12-30 21:29                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-31 19:16 ` Jakub Kądziołka
2020-01-08 13:30   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-02 13:49 ` bug#22883: Authenticating a Git checkout John Soo
2020-06-03  9:33   ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 21:54 ` bug#22883: [PATCH 1/9] git-authenticate: Cache takes a key parameter Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 21:54   ` bug#22883: [PATCH 2/9] git-authenticate: 'authenticate-commits' takes a #:keyring parameter Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 21:54   ` bug#22883: [PATCH 3/9] tests: Move OpenPGP helpers to (guix tests gnupg) Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 21:54   ` bug#22883: [PATCH 4/9] channels: 'latest-channel-instance' authenticates Git checkouts Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 21:54   ` bug#22883: [PATCH 5/9] channels: Make 'validate-pull' call right after clone/pull Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 21:54   ` bug#22883: [PATCH 6/9] .guix-channel: Add 'keyring-reference' Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 21:54   ` bug#22883: [PATCH 7/9] channels: Automatically add introduction for the official 'guix' channel Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 21:54   ` bug#22883: [PATCH 8/9] pull: Add '--disable-authentication' Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 21:54   ` bug#22883: [PATCH 9/9] DROP? channels: Add prehistorical authorizations to <channel-introduction> Ludovic Courtès
2020-06-08 22:04   ` bug#22883: [PATCH 1/9] git-authenticate: Cache takes a key parameter Ludovic Courtès

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