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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	laszlomail@protonmail.com, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	45333@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#45333: complex command history should not save optional nil parameters
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:30:56 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvy1x5c5ge.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k08peyo9.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:21:26 +0200")

> I think there's just two levels that are interesting.  We have the er
> advertised calling convention (whether from
> advertised-calling-convention or "(fn ...)"), and then the real, actual
> for sure arglist.

The "actual for sure arglist" is the one that sometimes comes with
bogus names.

> The actual for sure arglist is needed when you want to redefine
> functions and the like, and need to actually retain the interface in all
> details, and today you have to look at the source code to do that, which
> a self-documenting editor shouldn't need.  (But it's pretty rare to need
> this, so it doesn't matter that it's slow.)

In my experience once you get to places where you need to care about
"the actual for sure arglist" the real needs depend a lot on the
specifics, so it's not even clear what would be a good answer that works
across the board (e.g. in the presence of CL's &key arguments).
The answer you get from `help-function-arglist` without the
`preserve-names` arg should be good enough for most cases.

I do think the current situation kinda sucks because stashing arglists
inside docstrings is a PITA, but it does have its advantages and
I haven't seen a good alternative yet.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-07 15:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-20  9:01 bug#45333: complex command history should not save optional nil parameters novim via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-06-07 11:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-07 13:15   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-07 13:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-08 11:43     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-08 13:57       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-09 10:22         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-09 10:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-10  8:52             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 14:16       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-07-05 14:53         ` Drew Adams
2022-07-05 16:41         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 18:45           ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-07-05 18:48             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 19:06               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-07-05 19:09                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 19:43                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-07-05 19:50                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 20:00                       ` Drew Adams
2022-07-05 20:49                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 22:37                         ` Drew Adams
2022-07-06 18:41                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07  7:29                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07  9:45                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 10:00                             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-07-07 10:06                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 13:54                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07 14:10                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 14:49                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07 14:52                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 15:05                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07 15:21                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 15:30                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2022-07-07 18:00                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 13:58                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-05 20:15               ` Drew Adams

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