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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
	laszlomail@protonmail.com, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	45333@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#45333: complex command history should not save optional nil parameters
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2022 17:21:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k08peyo9.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv4jztdl64.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 07 Jul 2022 11:05:02 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Ah, so you're not talking about advertised-calling-convention!?

No, I'm talking about the...  advertised calling convention.

> Basically, if we want to go there, we start to want to distinguish
> between:
> - the "final and pretty" advertized arglist
> - the "final and pretty" arglist but disregarding advertised-calling-convention
> - the original arglist rather than the one stashed in the docstring.
> - the raw arglist seen by the interpreter.
> I doubt very many chunks of code will know which level to choose (and
> even fewer will have a good justification for that choice).

I think there's just two levels that are interesting.  We have the er
advertised calling convention (whether from
advertised-calling-convention or "(fn ...)"), and then the real, actual
for sure arglist.

The former is what `C-h f' and eldoc wants, and particularly for the
latter, it's a shame that it's so hard to get at -- i.e., opening .elc
files and chopping up doc strings etc.

The actual for sure arglist is needed when you want to redefine
functions and the like, and need to actually retain the interface in all
details, and today you have to look at the source code to do that, which
a self-documenting editor shouldn't need.  (But it's pretty rare to need
this, so it doesn't matter that it's slow.)

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-07 15:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-20  9:01 bug#45333: complex command history should not save optional nil parameters novim via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-06-07 11:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-07 13:15   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-07 13:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-08 11:43     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-08 13:57       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-09 10:22         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-06-09 10:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-06-10  8:52             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 14:16       ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-07-05 14:53         ` Drew Adams
2022-07-05 16:41         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 18:45           ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-07-05 18:48             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 19:06               ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-07-05 19:09                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 19:43                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-07-05 19:50                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 20:00                       ` Drew Adams
2022-07-05 20:49                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-05 22:37                         ` Drew Adams
2022-07-06 18:41                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07  7:29                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07  9:45                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 10:00                             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-07-07 10:06                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 13:54                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07 14:10                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 14:49                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07 14:52                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 15:05                                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07 15:21                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2022-07-07 15:30                                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-07 18:00                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-07 13:58                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-07-05 20:15               ` Drew Adams

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