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From: Christopher Lemmer Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org>
To: Karl Fogel <kfogel@red-bean.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, ndame <ndame@protonmail.com>
Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?
Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 23:01:39 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y2pvrzho.fsf@dustycloud.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pnb7u70r.fsf@red-bean.com>

Karl Fogel writes:

> On 12 May 2020, Christopher Lemmer Webber wrote:
>
>>Thus if there's a space for paid work, I think it would be to do this
>>work which might not be as directly useful to the developer, but would
>>be directly useful to other newcomers.  It would be useful and important
>>IMO to directly test against newcomers' experiences and collect feedback.
>
> FWIW -- and perhaps to your surprise -- I would argue that this is *not* the important question for Emacs.
>
> I've explained why in another thread:
>
>   https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-05/msg01855.html

Hi Karl, nice to hear you reply to me :)

I agree with a lot of your assessments, that the highest value in Emacs
is the willingness to invest in it.  A well customized emacs conforms to
the shape of one's body and mind.  And I agree then that this is a
selling point to advertise.

I still don't think that's in contradiction to the "conventional editor
starter pack" goal though.  I know people who are tantalized by the
*idea* of learning Emacs, but get an enormous amount of imposter
syndrome and feeling of being overwhelmed when dipping their toes in the
water... some have tried dipping their toes in the water a few times.

Me personally, once I decided to learn emacs I just jumped straight into
the deep end.  But that's not for everyone.  Sometimes it can be nice to
have a wading area in the swimming pool for some folks.

That's my feeling, anyway.
 - Chris



  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-14  3:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 188+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-11 20:09 What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? ndame
2020-05-12  6:57 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-12  7:13   ` ndame
2020-05-12 12:54     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-12 13:07       ` ndame
2020-05-12 14:56         ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-13  0:39   ` HaiJun Zhang
2020-05-13  1:34     ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-05-13  1:50       ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-05-12 10:00 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-12 11:10   ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-13  3:55     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-13 10:32       ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-14  5:11         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-14 10:34           ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-15  3:25             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  8:15               ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-16  4:18                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 22:07                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-18  3:45                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18  8:05                       ` Tramp and crypted files (was: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?) Michael Albinus
2020-05-19  4:01                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19 14:38                           ` Tramp and crypted files Michael Albinus
2020-05-20  4:00                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-19  8:51                         ` Deus Max
2020-05-19 14:48                           ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-20  8:27                             ` Deus Max
2020-05-20  8:49                               ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-20 17:49                                 ` Deus Max
2020-05-20 19:09                                   ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-25 18:48                               ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-26  4:13                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-26  7:13                                   ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-27  3:09                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-28 13:05                                 ` Deus Max
2020-05-29  9:16                                   ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-29 16:33                                     ` Deus Max
2020-06-07 15:08                                       ` Michael Albinus
2020-06-13 12:06                                         ` Deus Max
2020-06-13 13:15                                           ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-29 18:22                                     ` Deus Max
2020-05-17  8:28                   ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 11:57   ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 15:34     ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 16:33       ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 17:39         ` Tramp nextcloud (was: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?) Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 18:12           ` Tramp nextcloud H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-13  8:59           ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-13  9:33             ` Tramp nextcloud (SOLVED) Eric S Fraga
2020-05-13 10:45               ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-13 11:10                 ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 15:04   ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Arthur Miller
2020-05-12 16:00   ` Drew Adams
2020-05-12 12:30 ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-13  1:22   ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
     [not found]     ` <5AYrQ3kvagEiLsXcUuMZvkDj1gBHT4YnJyVCX6RsvMkayS1ZbGWk18lJOyo_m8XanhsUygUtEqZw8OOOQOlwkg==@protonmail.internalid>
2020-05-13  2:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-13  3:58       ` jao
2020-05-13 23:12   ` João Távora
2020-05-14  0:04     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-14 10:08       ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-14 10:17         ` tomas
2020-05-14 10:34           ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-14 10:40             ` tomas
2020-05-15  3:25               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:39                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-15  3:25               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:51                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-16  4:18                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16  9:29                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-17  2:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:17       ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  6:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16  4:18           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16  7:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 12:56               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-17  2:56               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-17  7:22                 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-18  3:42                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18 14:29                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-19  3:56                     ` shr.el rename? Richard Stallman
2020-05-19  5:50                       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-19 12:41                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-05-19 15:04                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-19 16:47                           ` T.V Raman
2020-05-20  3:59                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-20  4:02                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18 15:20             ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Filipp Gunbin
2020-05-18 15:26               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15  9:10         ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 10:21           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 11:07             ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 11:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 11:49                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 11:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 12:14                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 12:56                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 15:22                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 15:28                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-16  4:18               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16  4:17           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16  6:50             ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-16  8:24               ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-17  2:56               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-14 11:57   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-12 12:44 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-13 16:36   ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-14  3:01     ` Christopher Lemmer Webber [this message]
2020-05-14  4:08       ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-14 10:01         ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-14 16:35         ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-17  1:31           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-18  3:43             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:16         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-28  4:00           ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-28 13:18             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 17:19               ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-28 18:05                 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-28 18:45                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-28 20:52                   ` Alan Third
2020-05-28 21:02                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 21:10                       ` Alan Third
2020-05-28 21:27                         ` andres.ramirez
2020-05-28 21:54                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-29 13:24                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-28 21:14                       ` Joost Kremers
2020-05-29 13:24                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-29  1:24                       ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-29  3:36                         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-29  3:06                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-29  3:41                       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-29 13:19                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-30  5:23                         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-05-29 13:11                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-13 17:48 ` ndame
2020-05-14  1:15   ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-14  4:10     ` ndame
2020-05-14  4:28       ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-15 10:38       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17  5:37         ` ndame
2020-05-17 12:42           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-17 13:18             ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-19  3:47               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-17 22:03             ` chad
2020-05-13 21:05 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-05-14 14:35 ` Björn Lindqvist
2020-06-03 11:39 ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? A: Autocompletion Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 12:36   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 12:50     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 13:10       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 13:59         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 14:21           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 14:40             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 18:49               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-06-03 14:49   ` Drew Adams
2020-06-03 20:15     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2020-06-03 20:36       ` Drew Adams
2020-06-03 20:49         ` Drew Adams
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-05-12  7:11 What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Zhu Zihao
2020-05-12  7:22 ndame
2020-05-27 15:58 Van Ly
2020-05-28  3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-30  7:17   ` Van Ly
2020-05-31  7:10     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-31 10:01       ` Van Ly
2020-05-31 12:49         ` excalamus--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-06-01  3:54           ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-01  5:21             ` Yuri Khan
2020-06-02  2:55               ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-02  3:57             ` Karl Fogel
2020-06-02  5:15               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 13:42               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-01  9:11           ` Bastien
2020-06-01 15:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-01 23:32               ` Bastien
2020-06-01 23:50                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-06-06  9:42                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06  9:58                     ` tomas
2020-06-06 10:11                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 10:29                         ` tomas
2020-06-06 14:19                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 14:58                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-06 20:18                         ` tomas
2020-06-06 22:20                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06  9:59                     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-06-06 10:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 10:18                       ` tomas
2020-06-06 12:05                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-03-04 11:46 Evgeny Zajcev

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