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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: tomas@tuxteam.de
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks?
Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 13:11:36 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83v9k48pwn.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200606095851.GB28645@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de)

> Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 11:58:51 +0200
> From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
> 
> That said, as far as I understand the collaborative editing folks,
> the difference to a dVCS (which I read as "distributed version
> control system" à la git) is the "live" experience: you see other
> people's cursors (points?) running over the text making changes,
> while you change the text, too. Ideally supported by a side channel,
> e.g. audio.
> 
> Think several people doodling simultaneously over a shared blackboard.

Someone will have to explain why this is useful.  Sitting and looking
at other people's typing something, then erasing and retyping, one
character at a time, sounds like a huge waste of time to me.  I could
use that same time to modify a different section of the same document,
or suggest a solution for a problem in parallel to several others
suggesting their solutions for the same problem (which would need some
processing on top of VC conflict resolution).  I'm probably missing
something.

> There was a thread a while ago in -help or -devel explaining why
> several emacs clients connected to a common server didn't quite
> fill that bill: I could only partially understand what the limitations
> were. I think I'll have to try it in practice to get a grip on
> that.

I don't think using emacsclient in its current implementation and the
infrastructure it uses will help us make any progress in this area.
The current keyboard "multiplexing" in Emacs doesn't really support
any concurrent input in any useful sense of that word.

That's why I think we need to start from the basics, and define the
features we'd need.  In general, since we are talking about several
different individuals, the concept of having a single Emacs "server"
sounds a non-starter to me.  We should talk about several separate
Emacs sessions communicating between them in some way.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-06 10:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-27 15:58 What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Van Ly
2020-05-28  3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-30  7:17   ` Van Ly
2020-05-31  7:10     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-31 10:01       ` Van Ly
2020-05-31 12:49         ` excalamus--- via Emacs development discussions.
2020-06-01  3:54           ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-01  5:21             ` Yuri Khan
2020-06-02  2:55               ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-02  3:57             ` Karl Fogel
2020-06-02  5:15               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-06-02 13:42               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-01  9:11           ` Bastien
2020-06-01 15:03             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-01 23:32               ` Bastien
2020-06-01 23:50                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-06-06  9:42                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06  9:58                     ` tomas
2020-06-06 10:11                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2020-06-06 10:29                         ` tomas
2020-06-06 14:19                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 14:58                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-06-06 20:18                         ` tomas
2020-06-06 22:20                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06  9:59                     ` Thibaut Verron
2020-06-06 10:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-06 10:18                       ` tomas
2020-06-07  3:36                         ` collaborative editing Richard Stallman
2020-06-07  9:28                           ` tomas
2020-06-06 12:05                     ` What is the most useful potential feature which Emacs lacks? Jean-Christophe Helary
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-03-04 11:46 Evgeny Zajcev
2020-05-12  7:22 ndame
2020-05-12  7:11 Zhu Zihao
2020-05-11 20:09 ndame
2020-05-12  6:57 ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-12  7:13   ` ndame
2020-05-12 12:54     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-12 13:07       ` ndame
2020-05-12 14:56         ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-13  0:39   ` HaiJun Zhang
2020-05-13  1:34     ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-05-13  1:50       ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-05-12 10:00 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-12 11:10   ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-13  3:55     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-13 10:32       ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-14  5:11         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-14 10:34           ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-15  3:25             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  8:15               ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-16  4:18                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16 22:07                   ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-18  3:45                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-17  8:28                   ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 11:57   ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 15:34     ` Michael Albinus
2020-05-12 16:33       ` Eric S Fraga
2020-05-12 15:04   ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-12 16:00   ` Drew Adams
2020-05-12 12:30 ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-13  1:22   ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
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2020-05-13  2:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-13  3:58       ` jao
2020-05-13 23:12   ` João Távora
2020-05-14  0:04     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-14 10:08       ` Helmut Eller
2020-05-14 10:17         ` tomas
2020-05-14 10:34           ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-14 10:40             ` tomas
2020-05-15  3:25               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:39                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-15  3:25               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:51                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-16  4:18                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16  9:29                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-17  2:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:17       ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  6:56         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16  4:18           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16  7:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-16 12:56               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-17  2:56               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-17  7:22                 ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-18  3:42                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-18 14:29                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-18 15:20             ` Filipp Gunbin
2020-05-18 15:26               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15  9:10         ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 10:21           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 11:07             ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 11:28               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 11:49                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 11:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 12:14                     ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-15 12:56                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-15 15:22                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-15 15:28                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-16  4:18               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16  4:17           ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-16  6:50             ` Andreas Schwab
2020-05-16  8:24               ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-17  2:56               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-14 11:57   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-12 12:44 ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-13 16:36   ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-14  3:01     ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-14  4:08       ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-14 10:01         ` Robert Pluim
2020-05-14 16:35         ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-05-17  1:31           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-18  3:43             ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-15  3:16         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-28  4:00           ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-28 13:18             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 17:19               ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-28 18:05                 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-28 18:45                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-28 20:52                   ` Alan Third
2020-05-28 21:02                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-28 21:10                       ` Alan Third
2020-05-28 21:27                         ` andres.ramirez
2020-05-28 21:54                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-29 13:24                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-28 21:14                       ` Joost Kremers
2020-05-29 13:24                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-29  1:24                       ` Karl Fogel
2020-05-29  3:36                         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-29  3:06                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-29  3:41                       ` Drew Adams
2020-05-29 13:19                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-30  5:23                         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-05-29 13:11                     ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-13 17:48 ` ndame
2020-05-14  1:15   ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-14  4:10     ` ndame
2020-05-14  4:28       ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-15 10:38       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-05-17  5:37         ` ndame
2020-05-17 12:42           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-17 13:18             ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-19  3:47               ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-17 22:03             ` chad
2020-05-13 21:05 ` Vasilij Schneidermann
2020-05-14 14:35 ` Björn Lindqvist

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