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From: Paul R <paul.r.ml@gmail.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org, Xah <xahlee@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:29:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wsffsuap.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20081107100424.GA2707@muc.de> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Fri,  7 Nov 2008 10:04:24 +0000")

Hello, 

> > A happy post-USA-election day to you, Xah!

>> it is fantastic that Obama won!

Alan> And yesterday in Scotland, the Labour party, the party of British
Alan> government, held on to their parliamentary seat for Glenrothes,
Alan> against the strong expectation that the Scottish National Party,
Alan> the party of Scottish government, would win it.

And french president, currently European Union president for 2 months
more, recently gave a speech in which he said that he does not want to
leave this european seat when time comes (IIRC, Tchek Republic is
supposed to take over after France in january ). He argued that given
the "current crisis", the european presidency ought to be strong, very
wise and skilled, hence he is the only one able to do the job (still
according to him). Cock really is a good emblem for our country, as it
is the only known animal that keeps singing even with both foot in his
own poo :)

Alan> But we've had this discussion several times. Modern isn't
Alan> necessarily better. Modern is easier for newbies familiar with
Alan> other programs to learn, but there's no evidence that, once
Alan> learnt, it's any better than the classic Emacs UI. Do you address
Alan> this matter anywhere in your online essays? My own experience is
Alan> that Emacs's classic UI is much better. One reason to believe
Alan> Emacs UI should be superior is that it was developed by the people
Alan> who use it, for their own use.

Although I agree with that, I think it is important to keep in mind that
emacs frighten a lot of people when they first try it, and a lot of
those people may drop it forever because of this first impression.
I think newcomers are young and have time to realize what bindings are
convenients or not in everyday use, and emacs should not impose, by
default, a map that makes it practicaly unusable to anybody coming from
the "CUA world". Yes, they can learn. No, they don't want to learn
before trying, and I can understand that.


-- 
  Paul




  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-07 10:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-27 20:45 emacs-w3m question Francis Moreau
2008-10-27 21:09 ` henry atting
2008-10-27 21:36   ` Richard Riley
2008-10-28 18:40     ` Xah
2008-10-30 21:25       ` Xavier Maillard
2008-10-30 22:16         ` Paul R
2008-11-01  7:25           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-01 12:59             ` Paul R
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2625.1225539334.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-01 15:51             ` Richard Riley
2008-11-03 11:25               ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-03 12:13                 ` Richard Riley
2008-11-03 23:25                   ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.2907.1225862955.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-05 13:23                     ` Xah
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2522.1225402310.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-10-30 22:38         ` Xah
2008-11-03 11:25           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-03 12:36             ` Paul R
2008-11-03 23:25               ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]             ` <mailman.2772.1225715774.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-03 13:27               ` Richard Riley
2008-11-04 13:19                 ` Chris McMahan
2008-11-04 14:19                   ` Richard Riley
2008-11-05  7:25                   ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2764.1225711684.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]             ` <4d476218-bd76-4d41-8a12-1428dfba9e9b@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
2008-11-05  7:25               ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2966.1225952942.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-06 14:31                 ` Xah
2008-11-06 16:32                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-06 18:12                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-11-07  1:22                     ` Xah
2008-11-07  3:50                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-11-07  5:42                         ` Xah
2008-11-07  7:48                           ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-11-07  8:07                             ` Xah
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3000.1225988502.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-07  1:01                     ` Xah
2008-11-07 10:04                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-07 10:29                         ` Paul R [this message]
2008-11-07 23:51                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-08  1:14                             ` Lennart Borgman
2008-11-10 21:25                           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-10 21:25                         ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.3052.1226051600.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-07 17:43                         ` Xah
2008-11-08 14:36                           ` Is there anyway to save workspace so that we don't have reopen 10s of files again ? Maindoor
2008-11-08 14:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-08 15:09                               ` Maindoor
2008-11-08 16:11                                 ` Peter Dyballa
2008-11-08 18:24                                 ` Saving registers (was: Is there anyway to save workspace so that we don't have reopen 10s of files again ?) Reiner Steib
2008-11-08 22:25                                 ` Is there anyway to save workspace so that we don't have reopen 10s of files again ? Juanma Barranquero
2008-11-06 18:02               ` emacs-w3m question Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-07  6:24                 ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3010.1225993912.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-06 20:02                 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2008-11-07  2:02                 ` Xah
2008-11-07 10:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-07 10:54                   ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3055.1226054611.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-07 20:10                     ` Xah
2008-11-07 20:12                     ` How to make friends. [was emacs-w3m question] Xah
2008-11-07 20:17                     ` emacs is not Microsoft Word " Xah
2008-11-10 10:11                       ` emacs is not Microsoft Word David Kastrup
2008-11-08 18:57                     ` emacs-w3m question Rupert Swarbrick
2008-11-08 21:33                       ` Xah
2008-11-09  6:26               ` Wei Weng
2008-11-09  8:55                 ` Xah
2008-11-10 21:25                   ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.21.1226352538.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-10 22:38                     ` Xah
2008-11-11 21:46                       ` Emacs command frequencies: [was: emacs-w3m question] Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-12  2:28                       ` emacs-w3m question Sean Sieger
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.106.1226439293.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-12  4:19                         ` Emacs command frequencies: [was: emacs-w3m question] Xah
2008-11-12 11:28                           ` Emacs command frequencies: Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-11-12 11:45                             ` Paul R
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.129.1226489296.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-12 12:52                             ` Sébastien Vauban
2008-11-12 15:59                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-11-13 14:33                               ` Xah
2008-11-13  4:07                             ` Xah
2008-11-12 16:50                           ` Emacs command frequencies: [was: emacs-w3m question] rgb
2008-11-13 12:47                             ` Xah
2008-11-14 14:28                               ` rgb
2008-11-01 13:03         ` emacs-w3m question Andreas Politz
2008-11-03 11:25           ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2763.1225711681.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-06 16:51             ` Andreas Politz
2008-10-27 21:48 ` Andreas Politz
2008-10-28 10:50   ` Francis Moreau
2008-10-28 14:51   ` OtherMichael
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-11-01 20:25 Jon Fineman
2022-11-02 12:32 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-02 17:44   ` Jon Fineman
2022-11-03 11:18     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-08  3:58       ` Bob Newell
2022-11-02 13:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-02 17:32   ` Jon Fineman
2022-11-02 18:22     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-03 17:56     ` Bob Newell
2022-11-04  2:02       ` Jon Fineman
2022-11-06 22:49       ` Bob Newell
2022-11-07  6:08         ` Yuri Khan
2022-11-07  6:38           ` Bob Newell
2022-11-07  6:45           ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-11-07  6:59             ` Yuri Khan
2022-11-07 12:34             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-07 12:40           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-02 22:14 ` Bob Newell

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