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From: Xavier Maillard <xma@gnu.org>
To: Richard Riley <rileyrgdev@googlemail.com>
Cc: rileyrgdev@gmail.com, help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: emacs-w3m question
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 00:25:26 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200811032325.mA3NPQZN009176@zogzog.maillard.mobi> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <i8k5blc8i4.fsf@development.richardriley.net> (message from Richard Riley on Mon, 03 Nov 2008 13:13:39 +0100)

Hi,

   Xavier Maillard <xma@gnu.org> writes:

   >    Xavier Maillard <xma@gnu.org> writes:
   >
   >    >    Xavier> For your information, many old computers do not have
   >    >    Xavier> Up/Down/Left/Right keys thus making this as a default won't work
   >    >    Xavier> for them. I never use these key due to my habits. Therefor
   >    >    Xavier> I strongly disagree with you on that point.
   >    >
   >    >    Defaults are for newcomers to quickly get hands on the thing.
   >    >
   >    > I do not see why defaults should apply to newcomers, really.
   >    > Defaults must apply to the mass (either power users or newcomers).
   >    >
   >    > 	Xavier
   >
   >    The mass have arrow keys. As do 99.99999999999999999% of all new comers.
   >
   > Yes I have it on my laptop but I never used them because they are
   > located to an improbable and unpractical location.
   >
   > 	Xavier

   With all due respect, the location of the arrow keys on one laptop seem
   a dubious pivot for making decisions for a configurable base product
   which is aimed at a wide and varied user base. The great majority have
   arrow keys, the HW manufacturers built them in ( I haven't seen a keyboard
   without them for years). To ignore them because of a minorities poorly
   designed, antiquated or specialised HW seems somewhat silly.

Note: they are not easily accessible for *me*. It does not mean
they are badly designed or wrongly placed. I am pretty sure many
people use them and like that. I do not like to move my fingers
too much thus keeping them on the most important part: letters.

   Are they the *best* things for  hard core Emacs user? Possibly
   not. Would a lot of users be confused if they did not work as common
   sense dictates? Almost certainly.

That makes me thing the not so glorious past days of the
free software movement where creativity meant mimicry. Nevermind,
it is becoming even more OT.

   Having said that, I'm sure you are not arguing against configuring
   them.

Absolutely not.


	Xavier
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-11-03 23:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-27 20:45 emacs-w3m question Francis Moreau
2008-10-27 21:09 ` henry atting
2008-10-27 21:36   ` Richard Riley
2008-10-28 18:40     ` Xah
2008-10-30 21:25       ` Xavier Maillard
2008-10-30 22:16         ` Paul R
2008-11-01  7:25           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-01 12:59             ` Paul R
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2625.1225539334.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-01 15:51             ` Richard Riley
2008-11-03 11:25               ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-03 12:13                 ` Richard Riley
2008-11-03 23:25                   ` Xavier Maillard [this message]
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.2907.1225862955.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-05 13:23                     ` Xah
     [not found]       ` <mailman.2522.1225402310.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-10-30 22:38         ` Xah
2008-11-03 11:25           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-03 12:36             ` Paul R
2008-11-03 23:25               ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]             ` <mailman.2772.1225715774.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-03 13:27               ` Richard Riley
2008-11-04 13:19                 ` Chris McMahan
2008-11-04 14:19                   ` Richard Riley
2008-11-05  7:25                   ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2764.1225711684.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
     [not found]             ` <4d476218-bd76-4d41-8a12-1428dfba9e9b@s9g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
2008-11-05  7:25               ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]               ` <mailman.2966.1225952942.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-06 14:31                 ` Xah
2008-11-06 16:32                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-06 18:12                   ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-11-07  1:22                     ` Xah
2008-11-07  3:50                       ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-11-07  5:42                         ` Xah
2008-11-07  7:48                           ` Giorgos Keramidas
2008-11-07  8:07                             ` Xah
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3000.1225988502.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-07  1:01                     ` Xah
2008-11-07 10:04                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-07 10:29                         ` Paul R
2008-11-07 23:51                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-08  1:14                             ` Lennart Borgman
2008-11-10 21:25                           ` Xavier Maillard
2008-11-10 21:25                         ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.3052.1226051600.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-07 17:43                         ` Xah
2008-11-08 14:36                           ` Is there anyway to save workspace so that we don't have reopen 10s of files again ? Maindoor
2008-11-08 14:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-08 15:09                               ` Maindoor
2008-11-08 16:11                                 ` Peter Dyballa
2008-11-08 18:24                                 ` Saving registers (was: Is there anyway to save workspace so that we don't have reopen 10s of files again ?) Reiner Steib
2008-11-08 22:25                                 ` Is there anyway to save workspace so that we don't have reopen 10s of files again ? Juanma Barranquero
2008-11-06 18:02               ` emacs-w3m question Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-07  6:24                 ` Kevin Rodgers
     [not found]               ` <mailman.3010.1225993912.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-06 20:02                 ` Rupert Swarbrick
2008-11-07  2:02                 ` Xah
2008-11-07 10:24                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-07 10:54                   ` Alan Mackenzie
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.3055.1226054611.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-07 20:10                     ` Xah
2008-11-07 20:12                     ` How to make friends. [was emacs-w3m question] Xah
2008-11-07 20:17                     ` emacs is not Microsoft Word " Xah
2008-11-10 10:11                       ` emacs is not Microsoft Word David Kastrup
2008-11-08 18:57                     ` emacs-w3m question Rupert Swarbrick
2008-11-08 21:33                       ` Xah
2008-11-09  6:26               ` Wei Weng
2008-11-09  8:55                 ` Xah
2008-11-10 21:25                   ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.21.1226352538.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-10 22:38                     ` Xah
2008-11-11 21:46                       ` Emacs command frequencies: [was: emacs-w3m question] Alan Mackenzie
2008-11-12  2:28                       ` emacs-w3m question Sean Sieger
     [not found]                       ` <mailman.106.1226439293.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-12  4:19                         ` Emacs command frequencies: [was: emacs-w3m question] Xah
2008-11-12 11:28                           ` Emacs command frequencies: Nikolaj Schumacher
2008-11-12 11:45                             ` Paul R
2008-11-12 16:50                           ` Emacs command frequencies: [was: emacs-w3m question] rgb
2008-11-13 12:47                             ` Xah
2008-11-14 14:28                               ` rgb
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.129.1226489296.26697.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-12 12:52                             ` Emacs command frequencies: Sébastien Vauban
2008-11-12 15:59                               ` Ted Zlatanov
2008-11-13 14:33                               ` Xah
2008-11-13  4:07                             ` Xah
2008-11-01 13:03         ` emacs-w3m question Andreas Politz
2008-11-03 11:25           ` Xavier Maillard
     [not found]           ` <mailman.2763.1225711681.25473.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2008-11-06 16:51             ` Andreas Politz
2008-10-27 21:48 ` Andreas Politz
2008-10-28 10:50   ` Francis Moreau
2008-10-28 14:51   ` OtherMichael
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-11-01 20:25 Jon Fineman
2022-11-02 12:32 ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-02 17:44   ` Jon Fineman
2022-11-03 11:18     ` Michael Heerdegen
2022-11-08  3:58       ` Bob Newell
2022-11-02 13:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-02 17:32   ` Jon Fineman
2022-11-02 18:22     ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-03 17:56     ` Bob Newell
2022-11-04  2:02       ` Jon Fineman
2022-11-06 22:49       ` Bob Newell
2022-11-07  6:08         ` Yuri Khan
2022-11-07  6:38           ` Bob Newell
2022-11-07  6:45           ` Stefan Monnier via Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor
2022-11-07  6:59             ` Yuri Khan
2022-11-07 12:34             ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-07 12:40           ` Emanuel Berg
2022-11-02 22:14 ` Bob Newell

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