Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:37:54 -0500 (EST), Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org> said:

    Juri> branch: emacs-29
    Juri> commit 4a8891a462e41e81a5232810b67d9d85f79bc515
    Juri> Author: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
    Juri> Commit: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>

    Juri>     * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.
    
    Juri>     * lisp/outline.el (outline-minor-mode-cycle--bind):
    Juri>     Add docstring (bug#60426).
    Juri>     (outline-minor-mode-cycle--bind): Default 'map' to
    Juri>     'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.
    Juri>     (outline-minor-mode-cycle-map): Improve docstring.
    Juri>     (outline-minor-mode): Move margin-cycling keys to
    Juri>     'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.
    Juri> ---

Juri/Eli, any objection to putting something like the following in
emacs-29? That would make it easier to add heading-specific bindings
in NEWS mode, which Iʼd do in master. It also avoids creating a
separate keymap for each heading.

Robert
-- 

diff --git c/lisp/outline.el i/lisp/outline.el
index 91f6040687b..65d0d4db261 100644
--- c/lisp/outline.el
+++ i/lisp/outline.el
@@ -1766,6 +1766,13 @@ outline-cycle-buffer
 \f
 ;;; Button/margin indicators
 
+(defvar-keymap outline-button-icon-map
+  "<mouse-2>" #'outline-cycle
+  ;; Need to override the global binding
+  ;; `mouse-appearance-menu' with <down->:
+  "S-<down-mouse-1>" #'ignore
+  "S-<mouse-1>" #'outline-cycle-buffer)
+
 (defun outline--create-button-icons ()
   (pcase outline-minor-mode-use-buttons
     ('in-margins
@@ -1798,15 +1805,21 @@ outline--create-button-icons
         (propertize (icon-string icon-name)
                     'mouse-face 'default
                     'follow-link 'mouse-face
-                    'keymap (define-keymap
-                              "<mouse-2>" #'outline-cycle
-                              ;; Need to override the global binding
-                              ;; `mouse-appearance-menu' with <down->:
-                              "S-<down-mouse-1>" #'ignore
-                              "S-<mouse-1>" #'outline-cycle-buffer)))
+                    'keymap outline-button-icon-map))
       (list 'outline-open
             (if outline--use-rtl 'outline-close-rtl 'outline-close))))))
 
+(defvar-keymap outline-inserted-button-map
+  "RET" #'outline-cycle
+  "<mouse-2>" #'outline-cycle
+  ;; Need to override the global binding
+  ;; `mouse-appearance-menu' with <down->:
+  "S-<down-mouse-1>" #'ignore
+  "S-<mouse-1>" #'outline-cycle-buffer)
+
+(defvar-keymap outline-overlay-button-map
+  "RET" #'outline-cycle)
+
 (defun outline--insert-button (type)
   (with-silent-modifications
     (save-excursion
@@ -1829,19 +1842,13 @@ outline--insert-button
            (overlay-put o 'face (plist-get icon 'face))
            (overlay-put o 'follow-link 'mouse-face)
            (overlay-put o 'mouse-face 'highlight)
-           (overlay-put o 'keymap (define-keymap
-                                    "RET" #'outline-cycle
-                                    "<mouse-2>" #'outline-cycle
-                                    ;; Need to override the global binding
-                                    ;; `mouse-appearance-menu' with <down->:
-                                    "S-<down-mouse-1>" #'ignore
-                                    "S-<mouse-1>" #'outline-cycle-buffer)))
+           (overlay-put o 'keymap outline-inserted-button-map))
           ('in-margins
            (overlay-put o 'before-string icon)
-           (overlay-put o 'keymap (define-keymap "RET" #'outline-cycle)))
+           (overlay-put o 'keymap outline-overlay-button-map))
           (_
            (overlay-put o 'before-string icon)
-           (overlay-put o 'keymap (define-keymap "RET" #'outline-cycle))))))))
+           (overlay-put o 'keymap outline-overlay-button-map)))))))
 
 (defun outline--fix-up-all-buttons (&optional from to)
   (when outline-minor-mode-use-buttons

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 14:57:03 +0100
> 
> >>>>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:37:54 -0500 (EST), Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org> said:
> 
>     Juri> branch: emacs-29
>     Juri> commit 4a8891a462e41e81a5232810b67d9d85f79bc515
>     Juri> Author: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
>     Juri> Commit: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
> 
>     Juri>     * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.
>     
>     Juri>     * lisp/outline.el (outline-minor-mode-cycle--bind):
>     Juri>     Add docstring (bug#60426).
>     Juri>     (outline-minor-mode-cycle--bind): Default 'map' to
>     Juri>     'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.
>     Juri>     (outline-minor-mode-cycle-map): Improve docstring.
>     Juri>     (outline-minor-mode): Move margin-cycling keys to
>     Juri>     'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.
>     Juri> ---
> 
> Juri/Eli, any objection to putting something like the following in
> emacs-29? That would make it easier to add heading-specific bindings
> in NEWS mode, which Iʼd do in master. It also avoids creating a
> separate keymap for each heading.

I don't think I understand the problem you are trying to solve, and
why this particular solution.  Please tell more.

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 16:33:17 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
    >> Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
    >> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 14:57:03 +0100
    >> 
    >> >>>>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2023 14:37:54 -0500 (EST), Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org> said:
    >> 
    Juri> branch: emacs-29
    Juri> commit 4a8891a462e41e81a5232810b67d9d85f79bc515
    Juri> Author: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
    Juri> Commit: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
    >> 
    Juri> * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.
    >> 
    Juri> * lisp/outline.el (outline-minor-mode-cycle--bind):
    Juri> Add docstring (bug#60426).
    Juri> (outline-minor-mode-cycle--bind): Default 'map' to
    Juri> 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.
    Juri> (outline-minor-mode-cycle-map): Improve docstring.
    Juri> (outline-minor-mode): Move margin-cycling keys to
    Juri> 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.
    Juri> ---
    >> 
    >> Juri/Eli, any objection to putting something like the following in
    >> emacs-29? That would make it easier to add heading-specific bindings
    >> in NEWS mode, which Iʼd do in master. It also avoids creating a
    >> separate keymap for each heading.

    Eli> I don't think I understand the problem you are trying to solve, and
    Eli> why this particular solution.  Please tell more.

In outline-mode and modes derived from it, there are various bindings
that work at the start of headings (and in buttons that could be
inserted depending on the value of `outline-minor-mode-use-buttonsʼ),
such as "RET" for `outline-cycle'.

Adding more bindings there is a pain, since the bindings are done
using a separate anonymous keymap on each per-heading overlay, which
means iterating over all the overlays in order to make changes. The
patch I sent changes that to use a named keymap, so only the named
keymap needs to be updated or `setq-local'ʼd before invoking
`outline-mode'.

(and what I really want to do is add 'n' and 'p' into that map, which
improves the speed at which I can proofread NEWS.)

Robert
-- 

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org,  juri@linkov.net
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 16:02:38 +0100
> 
>     >> Juri/Eli, any objection to putting something like the following in
>     >> emacs-29? That would make it easier to add heading-specific bindings
>     >> in NEWS mode, which Iʼd do in master. It also avoids creating a
>     >> separate keymap for each heading.
> 
>     Eli> I don't think I understand the problem you are trying to solve, and
>     Eli> why this particular solution.  Please tell more.
> 
> In outline-mode and modes derived from it, there are various bindings
> that work at the start of headings (and in buttons that could be
> inserted depending on the value of `outline-minor-mode-use-buttonsʼ),
> such as "RET" for `outline-cycle'.
> 
> Adding more bindings there is a pain, since the bindings are done
> using a separate anonymous keymap on each per-heading overlay, which
> means iterating over all the overlays in order to make changes. The
> patch I sent changes that to use a named keymap, so only the named
> keymap needs to be updated or `setq-local'ʼd before invoking
> `outline-mode'.

Ah, okay.  Fine with me if Juri (or someone else) doesn't object.

> (and what I really want to do is add 'n' and 'p' into that map, which
> improves the speed at which I can proofread NEWS.)

On master or emacs-29?

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 18:58:45 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
    >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org,  juri@linkov.net
    >> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 16:02:38 +0100
    >> 
    >> >> Juri/Eli, any objection to putting something like the following in
    >> >> emacs-29? That would make it easier to add heading-specific bindings
    >> >> in NEWS mode, which Iʼd do in master. It also avoids creating a
    >> >> separate keymap for each heading.
    >> 
    Eli> I don't think I understand the problem you are trying to solve, and
    Eli> why this particular solution.  Please tell more.
    >> 
    >> In outline-mode and modes derived from it, there are various bindings
    >> that work at the start of headings (and in buttons that could be
    >> inserted depending on the value of `outline-minor-mode-use-buttonsʼ),
    >> such as "RET" for `outline-cycle'.
    >> 
    >> Adding more bindings there is a pain, since the bindings are done
    >> using a separate anonymous keymap on each per-heading overlay, which
    >> means iterating over all the overlays in order to make changes. The
    >> patch I sent changes that to use a named keymap, so only the named
    >> keymap needs to be updated or `setq-local'ʼd before invoking
    >> `outline-mode'.

    Eli> Ah, okay.  Fine with me if Juri (or someone else) doesn't object.

    >> (and what I really want to do is add 'n' and 'p' into that map, which
    >> improves the speed at which I can proofread NEWS.)

    Eli> On master or emacs-29?

On master. Iʼm assuming adding bindings would not fall under 'bug
fixes only'.

Robert
-- 

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Juri Linkov]

>     Eli> Ah, okay.  Fine with me if Juri (or someone else) doesn't object.
>
>     >> (and what I really want to do is add 'n' and 'p' into that map, which
>     >> improves the speed at which I can proofread NEWS.)
>
>     Eli> On master or emacs-29?
>
> On master. Iʼm assuming adding bindings would not fall under 'bug
> fixes only'.

But maybe Eli will agree to install it on emacs-29?

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 19:43:10 +0200
> 
> >     Eli> Ah, okay.  Fine with me if Juri (or someone else) doesn't object.
> >
> >     >> (and what I really want to do is add 'n' and 'p' into that map, which
> >     >> improves the speed at which I can proofread NEWS.)
> >
> >     Eli> On master or emacs-29?
> >
> > On master. Iʼm assuming adding bindings would not fall under 'bug
> > fixes only'.
> 
> But maybe Eli will agree to install it on emacs-29?

Maybe.  Robert didn't really explain what are his plans in that
regard.

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:26:14 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
    >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
    >> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 19:43:10 +0200
    >> 
    >> >     Eli> Ah, okay.  Fine with me if Juri (or someone else) doesn't object.
    >> >
    >> >     >> (and what I really want to do is add 'n' and 'p' into that map, which
    >> >     >> improves the speed at which I can proofread NEWS.)
    >> >
    >> >     Eli> On master or emacs-29?
    >> >
    >> > On master. Iʼm assuming adding bindings would not fall under 'bug
    >> > fixes only'.
    >> 
    >> But maybe Eli will agree to install it on emacs-29?

    Eli> Maybe.  Robert didn't really explain what are his plans in that
    Eli> regard.

Hereʼs the complete patch (minus doc changes). I was thinking putting
the outline.el bits in emacs-29, to make it easier for everybody to
change the bindings, and then changing the bindings in news-mode in
master.

Or we could just stick the whole thing in master.

Robert
-- 

diff --git c/lisp/outline.el i/lisp/outline.el
index 91f6040687b..6fb9281f61e 100644
--- c/lisp/outline.el
+++ i/lisp/outline.el
@@ -1766,6 +1766,20 @@ outline-cycle-buffer
 \f
 ;;; Button/margin indicators
 
+(defvar-keymap outline-button-icon-map
+  "<mouse-2>" #'outline-cycle
+  ;; Need to override the global binding
+  ;; `mouse-appearance-menu' with <down->:
+  "S-<down-mouse-1>" #'ignore
+  "S-<mouse-1>" #'outline-cycle-buffer)
+
+(defvar-keymap outline-overlay-button-map
+  "RET" #'outline-cycle)
+
+(defvar-keymap outline-inserted-button-map
+  :parent (make-composed-keymap outline-button-icon-map
+                                outline-overlay-button-map))
+
 (defun outline--create-button-icons ()
   (pcase outline-minor-mode-use-buttons
     ('in-margins
@@ -1798,12 +1812,7 @@ outline--create-button-icons
         (propertize (icon-string icon-name)
                     'mouse-face 'default
                     'follow-link 'mouse-face
-                    'keymap (define-keymap
-                              "<mouse-2>" #'outline-cycle
-                              ;; Need to override the global binding
-                              ;; `mouse-appearance-menu' with <down->:
-                              "S-<down-mouse-1>" #'ignore
-                              "S-<mouse-1>" #'outline-cycle-buffer)))
+                    'keymap outline-button-icon-map))
       (list 'outline-open
             (if outline--use-rtl 'outline-close-rtl 'outline-close))))))
 
@@ -1829,19 +1838,13 @@ outline--insert-button
            (overlay-put o 'face (plist-get icon 'face))
            (overlay-put o 'follow-link 'mouse-face)
            (overlay-put o 'mouse-face 'highlight)
-           (overlay-put o 'keymap (define-keymap
-                                    "RET" #'outline-cycle
-                                    "<mouse-2>" #'outline-cycle
-                                    ;; Need to override the global binding
-                                    ;; `mouse-appearance-menu' with <down->:
-                                    "S-<down-mouse-1>" #'ignore
-                                    "S-<mouse-1>" #'outline-cycle-buffer)))
+           (overlay-put o 'keymap outline-inserted-button-map))
           ('in-margins
            (overlay-put o 'before-string icon)
-           (overlay-put o 'keymap (define-keymap "RET" #'outline-cycle)))
+           (overlay-put o 'keymap outline-overlay-button-map))
           (_
            (overlay-put o 'before-string icon)
-           (overlay-put o 'keymap (define-keymap "RET" #'outline-cycle))))))))
+           (overlay-put o 'keymap outline-overlay-button-map)))))))
 
 (defun outline--fix-up-all-buttons (&optional from to)
   (when outline-minor-mode-use-buttons
diff --git c/lisp/textmodes/emacs-news-mode.el i/lisp/textmodes/emacs-news-mode.el
index b844955e1be..31410176181 100644
--- c/lisp/textmodes/emacs-news-mode.el
+++ i/lisp/textmodes/emacs-news-mode.el
@@ -60,6 +60,11 @@ emacs-news-mode-map
   "C-x C-q" #'emacs-news-view-mode
   "<remap> <open-line>" #'emacs-news-open-line)
 
+(defvar-keymap emacs-news-heading-map
+  :parent outline-overlay-button-map
+  "n" #'outline-next-visible-heading
+  "p" #'outline-previous-visible-heading)
+
 (defvar emacs-news-view-mode-map
   ;; This is defined this way instead of inheriting because we're
   ;; deriving the mode from `special-mode' and want the keys from there.
@@ -75,7 +80,8 @@ emacs-news--mode-common
   (setq-local font-lock-defaults '(emacs-news-mode-font-lock-keywords t))
   (setq-local outline-minor-mode-cycle t
               outline-minor-mode-highlight 'append
-              outline-minor-mode-use-buttons 'in-margins)
+              outline-minor-mode-use-buttons 'in-margins
+              outline-overlay-button-map emacs-news-heading-map)
   (outline-minor-mode)
   (setq-local imenu-generic-expression outline-imenu-generic-expression)
   (emacs-etc--hide-local-variables))

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:02:34 +0100
> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:26:14 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
> 
>     >> > On master. Iʼm assuming adding bindings would not fall under 'bug
>     >> > fixes only'.
>     >> 
>     >> But maybe Eli will agree to install it on emacs-29?
> 
>     Eli> Maybe.  Robert didn't really explain what are his plans in that
>     Eli> regard.
> 
> Hereʼs the complete patch (minus doc changes). I was thinking putting
> the outline.el bits in emacs-29, to make it easier for everybody to
> change the bindings, and then changing the bindings in news-mode in
> master.

It's fine with me to add a couple of key bindings to
emacs-news-mode-map.

Btw, that mode "needs work", IMO: it has no menu-bar menu (and so
mouse-1 on its mode-line indication does funny things), and it begs
for some useful key bindings.

News-mode improvements

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 21:37:47 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    Eli> Btw, that mode "needs work", IMO: it has no menu-bar menu (and so
    Eli> mouse-1 on its mode-line indication does funny things), and it begs
    Eli> for some useful key bindings.

Adding a menu bar is easy enough. What bindings were you thinking of?

Robert
-- 

Re: News-mode improvements

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 15:39:10 +0100
> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 21:37:47 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
> 
>     Eli> Btw, that mode "needs work", IMO: it has no menu-bar menu (and so
>     Eli> mouse-1 on its mode-line indication does funny things), and it begs
>     Eli> for some useful key bindings.
> 
> Adding a menu bar is easy enough. What bindings were you thinking of?

The commands defined there are all useful, so some "C-c SOMETHING"
bindings for the following commands would be appreciated:
emacs-news-next/previous-untagged-entry, emacs-news-toggle-tag,
emacs-news-count-untagged-entries, emacs-news-goto-section,
emacs-news-find-heading, emacs-news-open-line,
emacs-news-delete-temporary-markers.

TIA

Re: News-mode improvements

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 16:58:59 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:

    >> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
    >> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
    >> Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2023 15:39:10 +0100
    >> 
    >> >>>>> On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 21:37:47 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> said:
    >> 
    Eli> Btw, that mode "needs work", IMO: it has no menu-bar menu (and so
    Eli> mouse-1 on its mode-line indication does funny things), and it begs
    Eli> for some useful key bindings.
    >> 
    >> Adding a menu bar is easy enough. What bindings were you thinking of?

    Eli> The commands defined there are all useful, so some "C-c SOMETHING"
    Eli> bindings for the following commands would be appreciated:
    Eli> emacs-news-next/previous-untagged-entry, emacs-news-toggle-tag,
    Eli> emacs-news-count-untagged-entries, emacs-news-goto-section,
    Eli> emacs-news-find-heading, emacs-news-open-line,
    Eli> emacs-news-delete-temporary-markers.

    Eli> TIA

Your wish is granted: those already exist (except
`emacs-news-delete-temporary-markers', which I guess we could put on
"C-c C-D" or something):

(defvar-keymap emacs-news-mode-map
  :parent emacs-news-common-map
  "C-c C-s" #'emacs-news-next-untagged-entry
  "C-c C-r" #'emacs-news-previous-untagged-entry
  "C-c C-t" #'emacs-news-toggle-tag
  "C-c C-g" #'emacs-news-goto-section
  "C-c C-j" #'emacs-news-find-heading
  "C-c C-e" #'emacs-news-count-untagged-entries
  "C-x C-q" #'emacs-news-view-mode
  "<remap> <open-line>" #'emacs-news-open-line)

Robert
-- 

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Juri Linkov]

>     >> >     Eli> Ah, okay.  Fine with me if Juri (or someone else) doesn't object.
>     >> >
>     >> >     >> (and what I really want to do is add 'n' and 'p' into that map, which
>     >> >     >> improves the speed at which I can proofread NEWS.)
>     >> >
>     >> >     Eli> On master or emacs-29?
>     >> >
>     >> > On master. Iʼm assuming adding bindings would not fall under 'bug
>     >> > fixes only'.
>     >>
>     >> But maybe Eli will agree to install it on emacs-29?
>
>     Eli> Maybe.  Robert didn't really explain what are his plans in that
>     Eli> regard.
>
> Hereʼs the complete patch (minus doc changes). I was thinking putting
> the outline.el bits in emacs-29, to make it easier for everybody to
> change the bindings, and then changing the bindings in news-mode in
> master.

Are there any reasons not to make this customizable in emacs-29?

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 09:29:32 +0200, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> said:

    >> >> >     Eli> Ah, okay.  Fine with me if Juri (or someone else) doesn't object.
    >> >> >
    >> >> >     >> (and what I really want to do is add 'n' and 'p' into that map, which
    >> >> >     >> improves the speed at which I can proofread NEWS.)
    >> >> >
    >> >> >     Eli> On master or emacs-29?
    >> >> >
    >> >> > On master. Iʼm assuming adding bindings would not fall under 'bug
    >> >> > fixes only'.
    >> >>
    >> >> But maybe Eli will agree to install it on emacs-29?
    >> 
    Eli> Maybe.  Robert didn't really explain what are his plans in that
    Eli> regard.
    >> 
    >> Hereʼs the complete patch (minus doc changes). I was thinking putting
    >> the outline.el bits in emacs-29, to make it easier for everybody to
    >> change the bindings, and then changing the bindings in news-mode in
    >> master.

    Juri> Are there any reasons not to make this customizable in emacs-29?

Which bit do you want to make customizable? The 'n' and 'p' bindings?
Or did you mean customizing whether those bindings are applied for
headings?

(and again: emacs-29 is supposed to be in feature freeze. If we keep
adding stuff to this featurette, Iʼm going to lean towards putting it
in master)

Robert
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Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Juri Linkov]

>     >> >> >     Eli> Ah, okay.  Fine with me if Juri (or someone else) doesn't object.
>     >> >> >
>     >> >> >     >> (and what I really want to do is add 'n' and 'p' into that map, which
>     >> >> >     >> improves the speed at which I can proofread NEWS.)
>     >> >> >
>     >> >> >     Eli> On master or emacs-29?
>     >> >> >
>     >> >> > On master. Iʼm assuming adding bindings would not fall under 'bug
>     >> >> > fixes only'.
>     >> >>
>     >> >> But maybe Eli will agree to install it on emacs-29?
>     >>
>     Eli> Maybe.  Robert didn't really explain what are his plans in that
>     Eli> regard.
>     >>
>     >> Hereʼs the complete patch (minus doc changes). I was thinking putting
>     >> the outline.el bits in emacs-29, to make it easier for everybody to
>     >> change the bindings, and then changing the bindings in news-mode in
>     >> master.
>
>     Juri> Are there any reasons not to make this customizable in emacs-29?
>
> Which bit do you want to make customizable? The 'n' and 'p' bindings?
> Or did you mean customizing whether those bindings are applied for
> headings?

I meant only moving keymaps out of the functions to the separate variables
without changing their keybindings to give users freedom to customize keys,
i.e. like in your patch for outline.el.

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Tue, 17 Jan 2023 19:25:16 +0200, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> said:

    Juri> I meant only moving keymaps out of the functions to the separate variables
    Juri> without changing their keybindings to give users freedom to customize keys,
    Juri> i.e. like in your patch for outline.el.

OK, I thought you were talking about adding `defcustom' stuff. I think
weʼre in agreement, then.

Robert
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Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Juri Linkov]

>> I meant only moving keymaps out of the functions to the separate variables
>> without changing their keybindings to give users freedom to customize keys,
>> i.e. like in your patch for outline.el.
>
> OK, I thought you were talking about adding `defcustom' stuff. I think
> weʼre in agreement, then.

So pushed now.  Thanks for the patch.

Re: emacs-29 4a8891a462: * etc/NEWS: Mention incompatible changes in 'outline-minor-mode-cycle-map'.

[Robert Pluim]

>>>>> On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 20:38:56 +0200, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> said:

    >>> I meant only moving keymaps out of the functions to the separate
    >>> variables
    >>> without changing their keybindings to give users freedom to
    >>> customize keys,
    >>> i.e. like in your patch for outline.el.
    >> 
    >> OK, I thought you were talking about adding `defcustom' stuff. I think
    >> weʼre in agreement, then.

    Juri> So pushed now.  Thanks for the patch.

Thanks. I was convinced Iʼd pushed it, but itʼs still sitting locally,
so evidently not.

Robert
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