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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: mattias.engdegard@gmail.com, vibhavp@gmail.com, rpluim@gmail.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS
Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2023 14:25:10 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bkk7zvxl.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wn2wrmgc.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Sat, 01 Apr 2023 17:17:07 +0800)

> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: Mattias Engdegård <mattias.engdegard@gmail.com>,
>   vibhavp@gmail.com,
>   rpluim@gmail.com,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2023 17:17:07 +0800
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > IOW, "best engineering practices" are for master; on the release
> > branch, using existing code proven by time takes precedence, because
> > our ability to predict consequences is limited.
> 
> This problem is not about engineering practices, but basic program
> correctness.  Look at the GCC bug tracker: every release, a program
> that relies on this undefined behavior becomes subtly broken, a bug
> is filed against GCC, and is closed by the GCC developers, stating
> that this behavior is unsupported.
> 
> Emacs 29 has been in development for less than three years... not nearly
> long enough to be sure no subtle miscompilations have taken (or will
> take) place.
> 
> If that's ``proven by time'', then so is this:
> 
> null_terminate (buffer, size)
>   char *buffer;
> {
>   buffer[size] = '\0';
> }
> 
> It might work for a few months, or a year, then suddenly break with a
> new compiler release, or perhaps a change to malloc, or something else.

I'm still unconvinced, and I said already what will have a chance of
convincing me: a specific report about a problem this particular code
causes on a specific existing platform we support in Emacs 29 and with
a specific compiler.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-01 11:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30  9:34 HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Robert Pluim
2023-03-30 10:26 ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30 11:09   ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Sam James
2023-03-30 12:18   ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
     [not found]     ` <87v8ihu3t8.fsf@yahoo.com>
2023-03-31  7:15       ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Robert Pluim
2023-03-31  7:45       ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-31 17:29     ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-03-31 20:13       ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-30 10:28 ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-03-30 11:38 ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Vibhav Pant
2023-03-31 16:57   ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-03-31 17:59     ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 18:03       ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-03-31 18:12         ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  0:45         ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu
2023-04-01  5:43           ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  6:31             ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu
2023-04-01  6:39               ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  7:42                 ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-04-01  8:19                   ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  9:17                     ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu
2023-04-01 11:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-04-01 12:59                         ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
2023-04-01 13:33                           ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 15:22                             ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
2023-04-01 16:22                               ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-02  0:50                                 ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu
2023-04-02  0:48                             ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu

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