all messages for Emacs-related lists mirrored at yhetil.org
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 13:26:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83a5zu5ybx.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sfdmlgzx.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Robert Pluim on Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:34:42 +0200)

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
> Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:34:42 +0200
> 
> Fstring_lessp has:
> 
> /* Check whether the platform allows access to unaligned addresses for
>    size_t integers without trapping or undue penalty (a few cycles is OK).
> 
>    This whitelist is incomplete but since it is only used to improve
>    performance, omitting cases is safe.  */
> #if defined __x86_64__|| defined __amd64__	\
>     || defined __i386__ || defined __i386	\
>     || defined __arm64__ || defined __aarch64__	\
>     || defined __powerpc__ || defined __powerpc	\
>     || defined __ppc__ || defined __ppc		\
>     || defined __s390__ || defined __s390x__
> #define HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS 1
> #else
> #define HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS 0
> #endif
> 
> but even if unaligned access is normally permitted by a machine, it is
> still undefined behavior to dereference an unaligned pointer.

This is incorrect.  There's nothing undefined about x86 unaligned
accesses.  C standards can regard this as UB, but we are using
machine-specific knowledge here (and Emacs cannot be built with a
strict adherence to C standards anyway).

> Instead, HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS and UNALIGNED_LOAD_SIZE should be
> removed and memcpy used instead:
> 
>   word_t a, c;
> 
>   memcpy (&a, w1 + b / ws, sizeof a);
>   memcpy (&c, w2 + b / ws, sizeof c);
> 
> doing so will make the compiler itself generate the right sequence of
> instructions for performing unaligned accesses, normally with only a few
> cycles penalty.

We don't want that penalty here, that's all.

> I would like to install such a change on emacs-29.

No, please don't.

> Emacs currently crashes when built with various compilers performing
> pointer alignment checks.

Details, please.  Which compilers, on what platforms, for what target
architectures, etc.  Unconditionally removing the fast copy there is a
non-starter.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-30 10:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-30  9:34 HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Robert Pluim
2023-03-30 10:26 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-03-30 11:09   ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Sam James
2023-03-30 12:18   ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
     [not found]     ` <87v8ihu3t8.fsf@yahoo.com>
2023-03-31  7:15       ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Robert Pluim
2023-03-31  7:45       ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-31 17:29     ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-03-31 20:13       ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
2023-03-30 10:28 ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-03-30 11:38 ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Vibhav Pant
2023-03-31 16:57   ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-03-31 17:59     ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-31 18:03       ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-03-31 18:12         ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  0:45         ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu
2023-04-01  5:43           ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  6:31             ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu
2023-04-01  6:39               ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  7:42                 ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Mattias Engdegård
2023-04-01  8:19                   ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01  9:17                     ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu
2023-04-01 11:25                       ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 12:59                         ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
2023-04-01 13:33                           ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 15:22                             ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Arsen Arsenović
2023-04-01 16:22                               ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-02  0:50                                 ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu
2023-04-02  0:48                             ` HAVE_FAST_UNALIGNED_ACCESS Po Lu

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=83a5zu5ybx.fsf@gnu.org \
    --to=eliz@gnu.org \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=luangruo@yahoo.com \
    --cc=rpluim@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this external index

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/org-mode.git

This is an external index of several public inboxes,
see mirroring instructions on how to clone and mirror
all data and code used by this external index.