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From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-tangents@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support,
	ulm@gentoo.org, arthur.miller@live.com, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el
Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2021 12:22:38 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1kxvTC-0006Yz-FC@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83sg7bkiz6.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 08 Jan 2021 09:04:13 +0200)


   > From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
   > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, arthur.miller@live.com,
   > 	rms@gnu.org, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-tangents@gnu.org
   > Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 16:07:13 -0500
   > 
   >    > You are exagerating.  Nobody is saying don't do research, I'm quite
   >    > sure you are capable of finding that information on your own.  But it
   >    > is a different thing for GNU do provide that information for you.
   > 
   >    But GNU software shouldn't help me in research?
   > 
   > In the research of non-free software, obviously no.

   And that is a serious problem, because GNU maintainers need to do that
   quite frequently, as part of their job they do for GNU.

As a GNU maintainer you can use other venues to find that information,
again nobody is stopping _you_.  But the GNU _project_ or GNU
_software_ is not there to help you find non-free software.

I do not understand what is so confusing here, how you as a person (in
the capacity of a mainainter or not) wish to figure out stuff and what
the GNU project links to are two entierly orthogonal issues.  

Its like asking why the GNU project doesn't provide information about
finding good polka candy recipies, its outside the scope of the
project (ignoring the issue that non-free software being immoral and
unethical).

   And other software users and professionals are likely to do that as
   well, in order to study software algorithms and implementations.  Let
   me remind you that (AFAIK) one of the main reasons for starting GNU
   was the inability to share ideas about software design and
   implementation, due to commercial entities' enforcement of a system
   where showing the code was prohibited.  It would be ironic if the GNU
   project prevented its followers from exercising the same freedom, by
   denying us the information about where to find that source code to
   begin with.

It doesn't prevent anyone from doing any kind of research, it is just
not the place for GNU to help you in doing said research.  There have
been lists (e.g., the high priority list) of functionality which is
lacking on free operating systems -- sometimes even mentioning very
well known non-free software we (the project) wishes to replace.

But when the program is unknown, one can simply list the features one
wishes a program to have and not give it the extra promotion.  Since
if we say that a program has no free software counter part, it would
be quite normal for someone to go decide that they will install the
non-free program until such a day.  And that would be working against
the goal.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-01-08 17:22 UTC|newest]

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2021-01-07  8:49                       ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el Jean Louis
     [not found]                     ` <E1kxQ31-0004sd-LG@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                       ` <uy2h5xbhd@gentoo.org>
2021-01-07 11:46                         ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 19:38                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-07 20:23                             ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 11:54                               ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-08 18:23                                 ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09  6:35                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-07 18:18                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
     [not found]                       ` <X/bNnq5XiOMeKhgu@protected.rcdrun.com>
2021-01-08  6:25                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-08  6:30                           ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09  6:45                             ` frepology.org Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  8:11                               ` frepology.org Jean Louis
2021-01-11  4:47                                 ` frepology.org Richard Stallman
     [not found]                     ` <83k0sp27f6.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                       ` <E1kxGCp-0006oD-PA@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                         ` <83wnwolu2i.fsf@gnu.org>
2021-01-07 18:18                           ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 19:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 21:07                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-07 21:17                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-08 17:22                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-08 19:43                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-09  6:41                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  8:57                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 19:48                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10  5:59                                     ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-11  4:43                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 13:35                                         ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12  6:10                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 15:20                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-12 15:28                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-12  6:11                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:08                                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-13  5:43                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 14:46                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-09  6:34                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09 19:04                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-11  4:43                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  6:37                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  8:43                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                         ` <23f3f74f-c3d3-ec74-f1da-d0416d026c0d@yandex.ru>
     [not found]                           ` <E1kxGuO-00079C-NR@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                             ` <b94804db-7140-d450-6fc2-5afa440a8736@yandex.ru>
     [not found]                               ` <E1kxZru-0007Cl-DD@fencepost.gnu.org>
2021-01-07 18:46                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 21:07                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-01-08  7:04                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 10:14                                       ` Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el] Göktuğ Kayaalp
2021-01-08 11:46                                         ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 12:51                                           ` Aldric Giacomoni
2021-01-08 16:23                                           ` Ulrich Mueller
2021-01-08 18:47                                             ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09  6:42                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 14:11                                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12  6:09                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:29                                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-08 19:17                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2021-01-09  6:41                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 14:24                                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12  6:09                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:19                                                   ` Arthur Miller
2021-10-04 13:46                                               ` Time to dial back the dialectic? [was: Re: Privileges and practicalities] dick
2021-10-04 14:20                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 20:53                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  7:25                                             ` Privileges and practicalities [was: Re: [ELPA] New package: repology.el] Jean Louis
2021-01-10 17:18                                             ` Devin Prater
2021-01-11 15:57                                               ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09  6:40                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  6:40                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 13:47                                           ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12  6:10                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:32                                               ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-13  5:42                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-08 13:53                                       ` [ELPA] New package: repology.el Jean Louis
2021-01-08 17:22                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt [this message]
2021-01-08 18:38                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 19:40                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-10  6:06                                         ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-11  4:42                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-11 13:00                                             ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-12  6:11                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-12 14:10                                                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-13  5:42                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  6:37                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  8:41                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10  6:31                                       ` Sv: " arthur miller
2021-01-13  5:29                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-15 14:37                                           ` Arthur Miller
     [not found]                                 ` <2c5399e3-fa36-575d-d662-c7498dc334d6@yandex.ru>
     [not found]                                   ` <X/dsHBhcgPAXbqwe@protected.rcdrun.com>
2021-01-07 20:34                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-01-07 20:47                                       ` Jean Louis
     [not found]                                 ` <834kjslexq.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                                   ` <E1kxcV3-0005Rt-7a@fencepost.gnu.org>
2021-01-08  7:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 11:48                                       ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 12:34                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 13:56                                           ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 14:45                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 18:27                                               ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08 19:38                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-09  6:41                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  8:54                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10  6:07                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-10  6:04                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-10  6:04                                           ` Richard Stallman
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     [not found]                         ` <83eeiwlsn6.fsf@gnu.org>
2021-01-07 19:38                           ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 20:00                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 20:31                               ` Jean Louis
2021-01-07 20:38                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-07 21:00                                   ` Jean Louis
2021-01-08  6:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-08 10:24                                       ` Arthur Miller
2021-01-08 11:28                                       ` Jean Louis
2021-01-09  6:35                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-01-09  8:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-09  8:39                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-01-10  6:13                                   ` Sv: " arthur miller

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