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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, "Kim F. Storm" <storm@cua.dk>
Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:09:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <x5brev4tb8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvu0snagus.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:45:28 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>> What about using keyboard modifiers with mouse-1 on an active area (link,
>> button) to do what mouse-1 would normally do on an inactive area (e.g.
>> mouse-drag-region)?
>
>> The following are not defined by default, at least in most Emacs modes:
>> C-M-mouse-1, C-S-mouse-1, M-S-mouse-1.
>
> I think the effort required to remember such bindings, coupled with the fact
> that they'd only be used on relatively rare occasions, makes me think it's
> a bad idea.
> Especially since in all likely hood, after setting point in the middle of
> a button, you're going to do something with the keyboard rather than with
> the mouse, which makes me think that using the keyboard to move to that spot
> would work just as well.

Ah, but if you use cursor-left or cursor-right to move onto a preview,
the preview opens up into normal text (some sort of special
auto-reveal action).  So in the particular case of preview-latex, it
is not an alternative to click just before or after a preview and then
move onto it using forward-char or backward-char.

I am not claiming that this is the ultimate reason or whatever, I am
just pointing out that in this case it would be problematic.

In addition, we have to be aware that clickable fields are usually
implemented with keymaps.  And that means that there is no way to
magically change all buttons in all applications: it is a convention
rather than an API.  If we want to change to a different convention,
we first need to define an API where the current convention is
accessible to outside packages, then wait for a few releases with the
old convention in place, and then try changing the default and weather
the inconsistency storm from packages that have not yet adhered to the
API telling it what mouse buttons to use.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-21 22:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <DNEMKBNJBGPAOPIJOOICAEKKCAAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>
2004-10-19  9:04 ` finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Kim F. Storm
2004-10-19 15:31   ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-19 16:12   ` Drew Adams
2004-10-21 13:56   ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 14:47     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21 16:03       ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-23  4:48       ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24 12:42         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-24 12:59           ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-24 19:40             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-24 20:06               ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-25 13:13             ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24 13:10           ` David Kastrup
2004-10-24 19:59             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26  9:04               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-26 17:05                 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-24 22:31           ` Stefan
2004-10-25  7:22             ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 11:47               ` Stefan
2004-10-25 12:51                 ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 13:50                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-25 14:52                     ` Ralf Angeli
2004-10-25 15:08                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-25 15:18                         ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 15:35                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-26  9:00                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26  9:25                               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-26 12:23                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26 18:55                                   ` Drew Adams
2004-10-26 21:06                                     ` David Kastrup
2004-10-26 21:54                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27  2:15                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-27 12:52                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 13:02                                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-27 13:16                                           ` David Kastrup
2004-10-27 14:51                                             ` feature freeze (was: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text) Reiner Steib
2004-10-27 15:15                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 15:15                                               ` feature freeze David Kastrup
2004-10-27 17:29                                           ` finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Drew Adams
2004-10-28 14:05                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 17:35                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-01 14:40                                         ` Karl Eichwalder
2004-11-01 15:44                                           ` Stefan
2004-11-02 14:08                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-02 18:08                                             ` Karl Eichwalder
2004-11-02 21:51                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-11-02 23:41                                                 ` Drew Adams
2004-11-02 23:53                                                   ` Stefan
2004-11-03  1:27                                                     ` incrementor-decrementor commands and bindings (was: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text) Drew Adams
2004-11-03  7:51                                                       ` incrementor-decrementor commands and bindings (was: finger-pointercurser " Stephan Stahl
2004-11-03 15:26                                                         ` Drew Adams
2004-11-04  9:51                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-03  1:34                                                     ` finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Miles Bader
2004-11-03  9:31                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-03  9:26                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-03 10:20                                                       ` David Kastrup
2004-11-03 17:04                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-03  9:11                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-03 17:03                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 17:34                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 10:49                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 12:24                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 13:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-27 13:18                                   ` David Kastrup
2004-10-28  2:27                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-27  7:22                             ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-10-27  7:35                               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-27 12:32                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-28  6:24                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 10:47                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-26  9:05               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25  8:31             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-25 10:01               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 12:32                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26  9:05               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 13:13           ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 14:09   ` David Kastrup
2004-10-21 14:42     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21 15:21       ` David Kastrup
2004-10-21 19:55         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21 20:09           ` Drew Adams
2004-10-21 21:45             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-21 22:09               ` David Kastrup [this message]
2004-10-22  9:10                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-22 12:45                   ` David Kastrup
2004-10-22 15:03                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-22 15:56                       ` David Kastrup
2004-10-17 19:27 Drew Adams
2004-10-18 11:19 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-18 13:59 ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-07 13:16 ` Per Abrahamsen

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