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From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm)
Cc: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:55:39 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m37jpjsv5w.fsf@kfs-l.imdomain.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <x5r7nsgkra.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:21:13 +0200")

David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:

> storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes:
>
>> David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>>> In Gnus, I get buttons displayed like
>>> [attachment image.jpg]
>>>
>>> I can click with the middle button to execute a default operation.
>>> What I do more frequently is click with the left button, then press a
>>> key like "o" to indicate the action.  Most (but I don't think all)
>>> actions can be selected with a context menu on the right mouse button,
>>> but that also means that I have to use a mouse-based file dialog,
>>> which is far more inconvenient.  It is also much faster for me to type
>>> a single letter than to drag the mouse cursor to the right menu entry.
>>>
>>> If clicking mouse-1 on the button would launch the default action,
>>> this would be far more inconvenient for me.
>>

In the case of gnus attachments, you can click mouse-1 to THE RIGHT of
the button and still be able to use the key bindings.

Alternatively, you can drag mouse-1 in the link to set point there.

>> I see the problem.  Maybe mouse-2 could set the point ?

I generally want to avoid messing with mouse-2 or mouse-3 -- as the
major deviation from common GUI standards only affects mouse-1.

The major problem with mouse-2 is when you only have a two-button mouse
(can you even get a laptop with three mouse buttons).

Sure, I also have a three-button mouse -- but the middle button is
on a mouse wheel which is also awkward to click.

I have been using my little hack for a few days now, and I absolutely
love it.  No more messing with clicking both mouse-buttons or mouse
wheel to follow a link.  I still have to find

>
> Basically you propose that we interchange button-1 and button-2 on
> active text areas.  

I didn't propose it -- it was just an idea...  It's obviously not
a good idea in general.

>> Anyways, nobody would force you to use the mouse-1-follows-link
>> feature.
>
> That's never a good argument.  If we want to introduce a new feature,
> we want to make it as good as possible instead of claiming it is the
> user's fault anyway if he chooses to activate it.

Sure.  We need to find a way to DTRT in cases where mouse-1 is needed.

-- 
Kim F. Storm <storm@cua.dk> http://www.cua.dk

  reply	other threads:[~2004-10-21 19:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <DNEMKBNJBGPAOPIJOOICAEKKCAAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>
2004-10-19  9:04 ` finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Kim F. Storm
2004-10-19 15:31   ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-19 16:12   ` Drew Adams
2004-10-21 13:56   ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 14:47     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21 16:03       ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-23  4:48       ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24 12:42         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-24 12:59           ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-24 19:40             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-24 20:06               ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-25 13:13             ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24 13:10           ` David Kastrup
2004-10-24 19:59             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26  9:04               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-26 17:05                 ` Lennart Borgman
2004-10-24 22:31           ` Stefan
2004-10-25  7:22             ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 11:47               ` Stefan
2004-10-25 12:51                 ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 13:50                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-25 14:52                     ` Ralf Angeli
2004-10-25 15:08                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-25 15:18                         ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 15:35                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-26  9:00                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26  9:25                               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-26 12:23                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26 18:55                                   ` Drew Adams
2004-10-26 21:06                                     ` David Kastrup
2004-10-26 21:54                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27  2:15                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-27 12:52                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 13:02                                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-27 13:16                                           ` David Kastrup
2004-10-27 14:51                                             ` feature freeze (was: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text) Reiner Steib
2004-10-27 15:15                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 15:15                                               ` feature freeze David Kastrup
2004-10-27 17:29                                           ` finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Drew Adams
2004-10-28 14:05                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 17:35                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-01 14:40                                         ` Karl Eichwalder
2004-11-01 15:44                                           ` Stefan
2004-11-02 14:08                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-02 18:08                                             ` Karl Eichwalder
2004-11-02 21:51                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-11-02 23:41                                                 ` Drew Adams
2004-11-02 23:53                                                   ` Stefan
2004-11-03  1:27                                                     ` incrementor-decrementor commands and bindings (was: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text) Drew Adams
2004-11-03  7:51                                                       ` incrementor-decrementor commands and bindings (was: finger-pointercurser " Stephan Stahl
2004-11-03 15:26                                                         ` Drew Adams
2004-11-04  9:51                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-03  1:34                                                     ` finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Miles Bader
2004-11-03  9:31                                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-03  9:26                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-03 10:20                                                       ` David Kastrup
2004-11-03 17:04                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-11-03  9:11                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-03 17:03                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 17:34                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 10:49                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 12:24                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-27 13:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-27 13:18                                   ` David Kastrup
2004-10-28  2:27                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-27  7:22                             ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-10-27  7:35                               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-27 12:32                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-28  6:24                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-27 10:47                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-26  9:05               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25  8:31             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-25 10:01               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-25 12:32                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-26  9:05               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 13:13           ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 14:09   ` David Kastrup
2004-10-21 14:42     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21 15:21       ` David Kastrup
2004-10-21 19:55         ` Kim F. Storm [this message]
2004-10-21 20:09           ` Drew Adams
2004-10-21 21:45             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-21 22:09               ` David Kastrup
2004-10-22  9:10                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-22 12:45                   ` David Kastrup
2004-10-22 15:03                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-22 15:56                       ` David Kastrup
2004-10-17 19:27 Drew Adams
2004-10-18 11:19 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-18 13:59 ` Richard Stallman
2004-12-07 13:16 ` Per Abrahamsen

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