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From: David.Kastrup@t-online.de (David Kastrup)
Cc: Juanma Barranquero <jmbarranquero@laley.wke.es>
Subject: Re: Idea for compilation mode
Date: 08 Jun 2003 04:38:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <x53cilqon0.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E19Oog9-0004am-Ry@fencepost.gnu.org>

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> I'm not interested in making any major changes in Emacs key bindings
> for the sake of non-US keyboards.  It would be too much trouble.

Naturally.  It is just a thing to keep in mind for creating keymaps
that some keys are often worse to reach than others, when switching to
a different language.  ` is an example for a key that is horrible to
type on almost any keyboard except US ones, and so it should be
avoided for important key bindings like next-error.

> However, it might perhaps make sense to support optional alternate
> binding themes for some of these layouts.  Those could be maintained
> by users of those keyboard layouts, perhaps using
> key-translation-map to make them independent of the rest of Emacs.
> That way, they won't be a maintenance burden.

That would be overkill, I guess.  Most keybindings for Emacs are
designed not for ergonomicity, but for their mnemonic value.  For
example, C-b C-f C-p C-n make just as little sense on a Dvorak
keyboard as they do on an American.  This is in stark difference to
the bindings of vi, where the cursor movements hjkl very much depend
on a Qwert-based keyboard layout in order to work.

In my opinion, national keyboard themes would not be worth the trouble
for Emacs, but keeping in mind keys like "`@\" and a few others as
being awkward in particular in connection with modifier keys will be a
boon for many users.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2003-06-08  2:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-27 22:41 Idea for compilation mode Richard Stallman
2003-06-03  7:42 ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-03  8:01   ` David Kastrup
2003-06-03 10:20     ` Miles Bader
2003-06-03 16:14       ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-06-03 12:11     ` Frank Schmitt
2003-06-03 11:24   ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-03 13:14     ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-03 13:42       ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-03 14:08         ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-03 14:16           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-05  0:07           ` Richard Stallman
2003-06-05  0:07       ` Richard Stallman
2003-06-04  8:53   ` Richard Stallman
2003-06-04  9:37     ` Miles Bader
2003-06-04 10:23       ` David Kastrup
2003-06-04 10:27     ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-04 15:19       ` Andreas Schwab
2003-06-05  6:25         ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-05 13:07           ` Andreas Schwab
2003-06-05 13:31             ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-05 13:37           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-05 14:00             ` Lute Kamstra
2003-06-05 23:02               ` Miles Bader
2003-06-05 23:08                 ` Stefan Monnier
2003-06-07 12:01           ` Kai Großjohann
2003-06-05 10:57       ` Richard Stallman
2003-06-06  1:45         ` Miles Bader
2003-06-06  6:11           ` David Kastrup
2003-06-06  8:58           ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-06  9:49             ` David Kastrup
2003-06-06 12:01               ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-06 12:41                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-06-06 13:40                   ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-06 17:55                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-06-11  8:22                       ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-06 21:35                     ` Frank Schmitt
2003-06-08  1:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-06-08  2:38                     ` David Kastrup [this message]
2003-06-09 17:12                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-06-11  8:36                       ` Stephan Stahl
2003-06-11  8:51                         ` David Kastrup
2003-06-12  7:42                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-06-06 15:40                 ` David Kastrup
2003-06-06 16:49                   ` Stephan Stahl

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