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From: Wojciech Meyer <wojciech.meyer@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development
Date: Sun, 07 Apr 2013 04:11:21 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <wfobdr827a.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87r4ip93vg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org> writes:

> Daniel Colascione writes:
>
>  > As I see it, the only other viable candidate is Mercurial, which,
>  > while being high-quality, actively-developed free software, lacks
>  > the user base of git.  If Mercurial and git are equivalent of
>  > technical and ethical grounds,
>
> Evidently, they're not.  Technically, people care about UI, and many
> people hate git's.  Ethically, git uses copyleft but most of its
> developers are pretty clearly firmly in the open source camp (vs. free
> software), and some of its most popular associated tools (GitHub) use
> non-free code without apology (although it seems that a lot of people
> associated with Linux kernel development don't exactly appreciate the
> attitude of GitHub in many respects).
>
> You may not believe either of those outweigh the economic advantages
> of git, but you should acknowledge those differences of opinion as
> objective facts.

In general, the popularity of tools in my opinion is one of the key
factors how much momentum the project will gain. There are of course
other ways of gaining that momentum, and they usually require a bit less
of consideration and work. Looking at improvements to the documentation
or wiki pages, it might be the right solution for the projects that
can't easily switch to some other technology like Emacs, where it's just
does not look feasible. It takes a bit of time, and people understanding
and willing to do this. Emacs has a great wiki, and possibly the same
could be done for the developers. Surely people tried to document bzr on
Emacswiki but maybe documenting the internals would be good. On other
hand Emacs itself does have certain other threshold to get the
contributions working, it's a primary GNU project (which personally for
me was the showstopping problem, and I didn't realise at time it will
take that much time to get my papers done in my company, and eventually
I didn't contribute, and still don't know why) and it has certain degree
of tooling and knowledge required.

So, I think contributing to Emacs is what many people dreamed about, but
there shouldn't be any unneeded barriers for that. (I don't even count
FSF paper work, because I believe it's extremely important to get it
done for the sake of being fair with the ideology). I think some
people are convinced enough to even use Bzr to get the pleasure of
contributing to project like Emacs. :-)

Cheers,
--
Wojciech
http://danmey.org




  reply	other threads:[~2013-04-07  3:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-26 19:38 On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development John Wiegley
2013-03-26 19:42 ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27  1:32   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-02  0:31   ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02  8:56     ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-02 13:30       ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:02           ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 17:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:44               ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 13:19     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-02 14:54     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:13       ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 15:45         ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 16:21           ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 17:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03  8:00             ` Miles Bader
2013-04-02 15:16       ` Christopher Schmidt
2013-04-02 15:47         ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:42       ` Barry Warsaw
2013-03-26 20:55 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-26 23:00   ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27  4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27  6:38   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-27  8:43   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27  9:13     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 15:49       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 16:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27 18:55           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 17:15     ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 17:56       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27 18:32         ` John Yates
2013-03-27 20:25           ` Werner LEMBERG
2013-03-28  4:20           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28  5:33             ` Leo Liu
2013-03-28  7:53             ` joakim
2013-03-28 12:21               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-03-28 18:59               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 21:10             ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29  3:48               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  3:53                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-29 18:05                 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29 21:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28  4:20         ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:26           ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-28 15:11             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 18:58             ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:26               ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 19:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  3:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-27 18:48       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 20:27         ` Josh
2013-04-02  0:26       ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02  3:24         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-02  8:25           ` chad
2013-04-02 16:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:57               ` chad
2013-04-02 18:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 18:12                   ` chad
2013-04-02 12:30         ` Jose E. Marchesi
2013-04-02 14:02           ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 15:19           ` Jay Belanger
2013-04-02 19:27             ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:07               ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03 21:34                 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 23:20                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04  3:09                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  7:23                     ` Andreas Schwab
2013-04-04  7:53                       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05  2:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-05  6:46                     ` Leo Liu
2013-04-05 15:01                     ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-06 14:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03  0:06           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 13:07   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  4:19     ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:47       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:25       ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 13:57       ` Bastien
2013-03-28 18:59         ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:48           ` chad
2013-03-28 20:59           ` Bastien
2013-03-27  4:15 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2013-03-27  6:38   ` Leo Liu
2013-03-31 22:01     ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-03-31 23:00       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-03-31 23:40         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-04-01  0:50           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-01  5:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-01  6:36               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:59             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-01  8:33           ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-01 17:47       ` John Wiegley
2013-04-02 19:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 19:28           ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-02 19:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 17:44           ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 18:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:44               ` joakim
2013-04-04 19:15                 ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 20:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:57               ` Sam Steingold
2013-04-04 20:48                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05  4:34                 ` Bastien
2013-04-05 10:46                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05 15:37                 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-06 23:03                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-07  1:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-07  5:22                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04 23:08               ` Stephen Leake
2013-04-04 23:58                 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-04-05  1:13                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-07  3:11                     ` Wojciech Meyer [this message]
2013-04-05  9:57               ` Julien Danjou
2013-04-05 14:55               ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-05 15:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05 15:21                   ` Lennart Borgman
2013-04-02 22:00         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-03-27  8:55   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 14:10   ` John Wiegley
2013-03-27 16:54     ` Romain Francoise
2013-03-27 14:52   ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27  7:53 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-27  9:09 ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27  9:56   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 10:36     ` David Engster
2013-03-27 12:51       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 12:55       ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27 13:39         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-27 13:58           ` David Engster
2013-03-27 23:13           ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-27 23:16             ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28  3:26               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-28  8:37                 ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28  9:15                   ` Andreas Schwab
2013-03-28  9:07                 ` David Engster
2013-03-28  9:55                   ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Christopher Schmidt
2013-03-28 10:55                     ` Abolishing ChangeLog files Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 18:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 20:09                         ` Aidan Gauland
2013-03-28 21:00                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29  3:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  6:36                             ` Paul Eggert
2013-03-29 20:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 23:44                         ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29  3:48                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  8:02                             ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29  9:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 14:20                               ` John Wiegley
2013-03-29 23:06                                 ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29 18:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 11:05                     ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Carsten Dominik
2013-03-28 11:44                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-03-28 11:56                       ` Abolishing ChangeLog files David Engster
2013-03-29  0:23                         ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 11:59                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 13:17                       ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 23:58                       ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 12:41                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 16:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:20                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 17:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 21:04                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 21:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 22:42                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29  5:45                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  6:10                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  6:43                                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29  7:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  8:38                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29  9:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 10:11                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:50                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:11                                               ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:00                                             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:41                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 22:15                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 15:07                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 15:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 15:58                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 17:16                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 20:58                                             ` chad
2013-03-29  6:43                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 20:58                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29 21:53                       ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-30  2:20                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-30  8:07                           ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-28 12:35                   ` On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:08                     ` David Engster
2013-03-29  7:00                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:14                     ` David Engster
2013-03-29 21:27                       ` joakim
2013-03-28  2:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  3:22               ` Kolo Rahl
2013-03-28 12:27                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  8:08               ` Stephen Leake

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