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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: "Allen S. Rout" <asr@ufl.edu>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 03:55:50 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k3osbrk9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878v586bww.fsf@yandex.ru>

Dmitry Gutov writes:

 > If I found the right discussion, these two messages:
 > 
 > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/90798/focus=92070
 > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/90798/focus=91330
 > 
 > seem to indicate that Bazaar was considered a good enough tech at the
 > time, and that politics were coming second, or at least were not an
 > overriding factor.

I read your citations as indicating exactly the opposite.  Especially
in context of the actual discussion, where the technical demands for
"good enough" were minimized.

In any case, here's the original thread started by Eric Raymond, where
Richard says from the get-go that the determining factor is GNU-ness:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/85669/focus=85669

 > If Bazaar had been in bad shape even then, I don't see anyone
 > mentioning that in the discussion (admittedly, I haven't read every
 > message).

It was known at the time that Bazaar's current version was slow and
repos were bloated.  (Part of why Python rejected it in March 2009, a
year later.  See http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0374/#decision and
the following discussion.)  The thread starting at msg 85669 on Gmane
also provides plenty of evidence that Bazaar performed poorly compared
to git and Mercurial.

The fact is that Bazaar is much better now than it was then.  It's
quite usable in a project the size of Emacs these days.[1]  That's why
I say you're not going to change Richard's mind without much stronger
reasons than any I know of at this date.

Footnotes: 
[1]  Assuming you haven't already decided that you need git. ;-)




  reply	other threads:[~2013-03-27 18:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-26 19:38 On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development John Wiegley
2013-03-26 19:42 ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27  1:32   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-02  0:31   ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02  8:56     ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-02 13:30       ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:02           ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 17:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:44               ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 13:19     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-02 14:54     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:13       ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 15:45         ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 16:21           ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 17:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03  8:00             ` Miles Bader
2013-04-02 15:16       ` Christopher Schmidt
2013-04-02 15:47         ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:42       ` Barry Warsaw
2013-03-26 20:55 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-26 23:00   ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27  4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27  6:38   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-27  8:43   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27  9:13     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 15:49       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 16:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27 18:55           ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2013-03-27 17:15     ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 17:56       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27 18:32         ` John Yates
2013-03-27 20:25           ` Werner LEMBERG
2013-03-28  4:20           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28  5:33             ` Leo Liu
2013-03-28  7:53             ` joakim
2013-03-28 12:21               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-03-28 18:59               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 21:10             ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29  3:48               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  3:53                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-29 18:05                 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29 21:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28  4:20         ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:26           ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-28 15:11             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 18:58             ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:26               ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 19:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  3:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-27 18:48       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 20:27         ` Josh
2013-04-02  0:26       ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02  3:24         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-02  8:25           ` chad
2013-04-02 16:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:57               ` chad
2013-04-02 18:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 18:12                   ` chad
2013-04-02 12:30         ` Jose E. Marchesi
2013-04-02 14:02           ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 15:19           ` Jay Belanger
2013-04-02 19:27             ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:07               ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03 21:34                 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 23:20                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04  3:09                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  7:23                     ` Andreas Schwab
2013-04-04  7:53                       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05  2:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-05  6:46                     ` Leo Liu
2013-04-05 15:01                     ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-06 14:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03  0:06           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 13:07   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  4:19     ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:47       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:25       ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 13:57       ` Bastien
2013-03-28 18:59         ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:48           ` chad
2013-03-28 20:59           ` Bastien
2013-03-27  4:15 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2013-03-27  6:38   ` Leo Liu
2013-03-31 22:01     ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-03-31 23:00       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-03-31 23:40         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-04-01  0:50           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-01  5:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-01  6:36               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:59             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-01  8:33           ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-01 17:47       ` John Wiegley
2013-04-02 19:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 19:28           ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-02 19:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 17:44           ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 18:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:44               ` joakim
2013-04-04 19:15                 ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 20:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:57               ` Sam Steingold
2013-04-04 20:48                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05  4:34                 ` Bastien
2013-04-05 10:46                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05 15:37                 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-06 23:03                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-07  1:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-07  5:22                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04 23:08               ` Stephen Leake
2013-04-04 23:58                 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-04-05  1:13                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-07  3:11                     ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-04-05  9:57               ` Julien Danjou
2013-04-05 14:55               ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-05 15:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05 15:21                   ` Lennart Borgman
2013-04-02 22:00         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-03-27  8:55   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 14:10   ` John Wiegley
2013-03-27 16:54     ` Romain Francoise
2013-03-27 14:52   ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27  7:53 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-27  9:09 ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27  9:56   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 10:36     ` David Engster
2013-03-27 12:51       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 12:55       ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27 13:39         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-27 13:58           ` David Engster
2013-03-27 23:13           ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-27 23:16             ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28  3:26               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-28  8:37                 ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28  9:15                   ` Andreas Schwab
2013-03-28  9:07                 ` David Engster
2013-03-28  9:55                   ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Christopher Schmidt
2013-03-28 10:55                     ` Abolishing ChangeLog files Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 18:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 20:09                         ` Aidan Gauland
2013-03-28 21:00                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29  3:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  6:36                             ` Paul Eggert
2013-03-29 20:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 23:44                         ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29  3:48                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  8:02                             ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29  9:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 14:20                               ` John Wiegley
2013-03-29 23:06                                 ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29 18:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 11:05                     ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Carsten Dominik
2013-03-28 11:44                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-03-28 11:56                       ` Abolishing ChangeLog files David Engster
2013-03-29  0:23                         ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 11:59                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 13:17                       ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 23:58                       ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 12:41                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 16:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:20                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 17:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 21:04                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 21:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 22:42                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29  5:45                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  6:10                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  6:43                                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29  7:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  8:38                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29  9:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 10:11                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:50                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:11                                               ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:00                                             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:41                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 22:15                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 15:07                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 15:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 15:58                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 17:16                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 20:58                                             ` chad
2013-03-29  6:43                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 20:58                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29 21:53                       ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-30  2:20                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-30  8:07                           ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-28 12:35                   ` On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:08                     ` David Engster
2013-03-29  7:00                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:14                     ` David Engster
2013-03-29 21:27                       ` joakim
2013-03-28  2:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  3:22               ` Kolo Rahl
2013-03-28 12:27                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  8:08               ` Stephen Leake

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