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From: Steve Youngs <steve@sxemacs.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Abolishing ChangeLog files
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 09:44:44 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <microsoft-free.87620bozrn.fsf@steveyoungs.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1ULI2C-0005Ww-U0@fencepost.gnu.org

* Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

  > Emacs ChangeLog files are not redundant with VC change records.
  > We put different information in them.  At least, I do.

You're probably a part of a quite small minority that does.  In most
cases where I have come across projects that use a modern SCM and
ChangeLog files they end up doing "double-accounting-logging" with a lot
of copy-pasting from one log to the other.

  > In the ChangeLog files I put lists of functions changed and how.
  > In the bzr log entry I explain the overall purpose of the change.

This may have made sense in the old days of limited featured VC's such
as RCS or CVS, but not anymore, not with today's tools.

Without looking it up I can't tell you what the very first change we
made to SXEmacs was, but I can say that eliminating the ChangeLog files
was one of the first.  Actually, I shouldn't say that the ChangeLog
files were "eliminated" because they still exist for the benefit of
people who use the tarball releases, but they are generated from the
SCM (tla in the beginning, git now).

  > There are various good ways to store the important change information,

Yes, but storing that information in two different places, even when
there isn't any overlap of info between the places, isn't one of them.
Why add a level of complexity, even a minor one like this, when you
don't need to?

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-03-28 23:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 200+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-26 19:38 On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development John Wiegley
2013-03-26 19:42 ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27  1:32   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-02  0:31   ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02  8:56     ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-02 13:30       ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:38         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:02           ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 17:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:44               ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 16:36       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 13:19     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-02 14:54     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:13       ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 15:45         ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 16:21           ` Teemu Likonen
2013-04-02 17:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03  8:00             ` Miles Bader
2013-04-02 15:16       ` Christopher Schmidt
2013-04-02 15:47         ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-04-02 15:42       ` Barry Warsaw
2013-03-26 20:55 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-26 23:00   ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27  4:02 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27  6:38   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-27  8:43   ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27  9:13     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 15:49       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 16:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-27 18:55           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 17:15     ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 17:56       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-27 18:32         ` John Yates
2013-03-27 20:25           ` Werner LEMBERG
2013-03-28  4:20           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28  5:33             ` Leo Liu
2013-03-28  7:53             ` joakim
2013-03-28 12:21               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-03-28 18:59               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 21:10             ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29  3:48               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  3:53                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-29 18:05                 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-29 21:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28  4:20         ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:26           ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-03-28 15:11             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 18:58             ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:26               ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 19:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  3:47                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:44               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-27 18:48       ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-27 20:27         ` Josh
2013-04-02  0:26       ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02  3:24         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-02  8:25           ` chad
2013-04-02 16:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 17:57               ` chad
2013-04-02 18:02                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 18:12                   ` chad
2013-04-02 12:30         ` Jose E. Marchesi
2013-04-02 14:02           ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-02 15:19           ` Jay Belanger
2013-04-02 19:27             ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:07               ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03 21:34                 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 23:20                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04  3:09                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04  7:23                     ` Andreas Schwab
2013-04-04  7:53                       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05  2:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-05  6:46                     ` Leo Liu
2013-04-05 15:01                     ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-06 14:04                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03  0:06           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-27 13:07   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  4:19     ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 12:47       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:25       ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 13:57       ` Bastien
2013-03-28 18:59         ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 19:48           ` chad
2013-03-28 20:59           ` Bastien
2013-03-27  4:15 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2013-03-27  6:38   ` Leo Liu
2013-03-31 22:01     ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-03-31 23:00       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-03-31 23:40         ` Giorgos Keramidas
2013-04-01  0:50           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-01  5:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-01  6:36               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:59             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-01  8:33           ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-01 17:47       ` John Wiegley
2013-04-02 19:14         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-02 19:28           ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-02 19:36             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 17:44           ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 18:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:44               ` joakim
2013-04-04 19:15                 ` John Wiegley
2013-04-04 20:50                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 18:57               ` Sam Steingold
2013-04-04 20:48                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05  4:34                 ` Bastien
2013-04-05 10:46                   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-05 15:37                 ` Barry Warsaw
2013-04-06 23:03                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-07  1:09                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-07  5:22                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-04-04 23:08               ` Stephen Leake
2013-04-04 23:58                 ` Daniel Colascione
2013-04-05  1:13                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-07  3:11                     ` Wojciech Meyer
2013-04-05  9:57               ` Julien Danjou
2013-04-05 14:55               ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-05 15:14                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-05 15:21                   ` Lennart Borgman
2013-04-02 22:00         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-03-27  8:55   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-27 14:10   ` John Wiegley
2013-03-27 16:54     ` Romain Francoise
2013-03-27 14:52   ` Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso
2013-03-27  7:53 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-27  9:09 ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27  9:56   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 10:36     ` David Engster
2013-03-27 12:51       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-03-27 12:55       ` Julien Danjou
2013-03-27 13:39         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-27 13:58           ` David Engster
2013-03-27 23:13           ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-27 23:16             ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28  3:26               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-28  8:37                 ` Stephen Leake
2013-03-28  9:15                   ` Andreas Schwab
2013-03-28  9:07                 ` David Engster
2013-03-28  9:55                   ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Christopher Schmidt
2013-03-28 10:55                     ` Abolishing ChangeLog files Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 18:58                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 20:09                         ` Aidan Gauland
2013-03-28 21:00                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29  3:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  6:36                             ` Paul Eggert
2013-03-29 20:57                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 23:44                         ` Steve Youngs [this message]
2013-03-29  3:48                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-29  8:02                             ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29  9:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 14:20                               ` John Wiegley
2013-03-29 23:06                                 ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-29 18:37                               ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-28 11:05                     ` Abolishing ChangeLog files (was: On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development) Carsten Dominik
2013-03-28 11:44                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2013-03-28 11:56                       ` Abolishing ChangeLog files David Engster
2013-03-29  0:23                         ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 11:59                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-28 13:17                       ` John Wiegley
2013-03-28 23:58                       ` Steve Youngs
2013-03-28 12:41                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 16:34                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 17:20                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 17:34                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 21:04                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 21:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-28 22:42                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29  5:45                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  6:10                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  6:43                                       ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29  7:08                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29  8:38                                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29  9:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 10:11                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:50                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:11                                               ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:43                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 11:00                                             ` Thierry Volpiatto
2013-03-29 11:41                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 22:15                                               ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 15:07                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 15:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 15:58                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-29 17:16                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-29 20:58                                             ` chad
2013-03-29  6:43                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-28 20:58                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-29 21:53                       ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-30  2:20                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-30  8:07                           ` Nikolai Weibull
2013-03-28 12:35                   ` On the subject of Git, Bazaar, and the future of Emacs development Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28 13:08                     ` David Engster
2013-03-29  7:00                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-29 10:14                     ` David Engster
2013-03-29 21:27                       ` joakim
2013-03-28  2:43             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  3:22               ` Kolo Rahl
2013-03-28 12:27                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-28  8:08               ` Stephen Leake

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