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From: Dave Love <d.love@dl.ac.uk>
Cc: schwab@suse.de,  monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: TODO additions
Date: 17 Nov 2002 22:56:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <rzq3cpzg600.fsf@albion.dl.ac.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E18BvlA-0002hS-00@fencepost.gnu.org

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> I don't know "Why would it?" but I can answer the question "Why does
> it?"  Emacs needed to use its own special crt0.o file and that
> required calling ld directly.

My point is that if this is a consequence of using unexec, for
instance, it applies to things like SCM (and TeX?) too -- as well as
Guile if that ever reinstates SCM's dump facility.

> At first it was always done that way.
> Later on some systems we arranged to use cc.  So we added the
> ORDINARY_LINK flag for those systems.

So if I understand correctly, ORDINARY_LINK just means use `$(CC)' for
what would normally be the Makefile LINK variable.

> The question is relevant if you are thinking of implementing a
> replacement for this code, which would always use cc to link.  I think
> that would be a nice simplification if it works, but hard to do.

It seems to me that Libtool is the right place for knowledge of such
things so that it can be shared usefully.  I don't know whether that's
worthwhile, though.

> Unless and until that change is made, we need to keep supporting the
> use of ORDINARY_LINK, which means that one way or another configure.in
> must decide the value of ORDINARY_LINK.

I doubt anyone disputes that.  It's a question of the most
maintainable way to do it.

Here's another example of the difficulty of understanding things if
one was to improve matters.  src/Makefile.in says:

  /* GNU libc requires ORDINARY_LINK so that its own crt0 is used.
     Linux is an exception because it uses a funny variant of GNU libc.  */

I don't know about the first sentence, but I think the second isn't
true on modern systems, and it's not clear whether it would be an
advantage if the gnu-linux configuration was be changed for
configurations using libc6.

  reply	other threads:[~2002-11-17 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 80+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-10-18 12:41 TODO additions Dave Love
2002-10-19  3:24 ` Miles Bader
2002-10-21 13:11   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-10-22 16:47   ` Dave Love
2002-10-21 13:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-10-21 13:21   ` Oliver Scholz
2002-10-22 14:14     ` Stefan Monnier
2002-10-22 17:03   ` Dave Love
2002-10-27 23:38 ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-29 18:04   ` Dave Love
2002-10-29 22:09     ` Miles Bader
2002-10-31 17:25       ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-05 10:59       ` Dave Love
2002-10-30 17:18     ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-31  7:21       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-10-31  9:12         ` Miles Bader
2002-11-01  9:40         ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-01 13:06           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-11-03 13:57             ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-31 18:19       ` Dave Love
2002-11-02  3:32         ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-11 20:15           ` Dave Love
2002-11-12 13:18             ` Miles Bader
2002-11-14  4:10               ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-17 22:47               ` Dave Love
2002-10-30 17:18     ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-31 18:42       ` Dave Love
2002-11-02  3:31         ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-05 11:37           ` Dave Love
2002-10-29 19:02   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-10-31 17:27     ` Richard Stallman
2002-10-31 18:10     ` Dave Love
2002-11-02  3:31       ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-05 11:33         ` Dave Love
2002-11-07  4:48           ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-07 10:33             ` Andreas Schwab
2002-11-08 12:06               ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-11 11:58                 ` Andreas Schwab
2002-11-13 11:31                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-17 22:49                     ` Dave Love
2002-11-11 20:25                 ` Dave Love
2002-11-13 11:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-17 22:56                     ` Dave Love [this message]
2002-11-18 19:09                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-20 17:10                         ` Dave Love
2002-11-21 17:12                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-24 18:57                             ` Dave Love
2002-11-25 12:36                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-27 23:38                                 ` Dave Love
2002-11-29 15:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-29 19:57                                     ` Dave Love
2002-12-01  9:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-02 14:02                                         ` Dave Love
2002-12-05 15:10                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-09 19:03                                             ` Dave Love
2002-12-12 17:09                                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-15 17:23                                                 ` Dave Love
2002-12-01  9:16                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-02 14:05                                         ` Dave Love
2002-12-02 15:47                                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-06 16:41                                         ` movemail re-write [was Re: TODO additions] Dave Love
     [not found]                                           ` <E18LD0N-0004Rc-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
2002-12-10 23:42                                             ` Dave Love
2002-12-16 10:49                                           ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
2002-12-17 18:44                                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-18  9:35                                               ` Michael Sperber [Mr. Preprocessor]
2002-12-19 18:32                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-02 15:47                                       ` TODO additions Richard Stallman
2002-12-03 10:58                                         ` Dave Love
2002-12-05 15:10                                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-29 15:04                                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-27 15:13                           ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-11-28  1:43                             ` Miles Bader
2002-11-28  5:45                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-11-29 15:03                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-29 15:59                               ` Francesco Potorti`
2002-11-30 14:05                                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-07  4:48           ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-11 20:19             ` Dave Love
2002-11-13 11:32               ` Richard Stallman
2002-11-17 22:47                 ` Dave Love

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