From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: finger-pointer curser as default for mouse-face text Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:55:39 +0200 Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1098388600 9579 80.91.229.6 (21 Oct 2004 19:56:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:56:40 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , Drew Adams , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Oct 21 21:56:29 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1CKj2z-0001zi-00 for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:56:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CKjAR-0004BC-3r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:11 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CKjAH-0004B6-Vi for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.33) id 1CKjAG-0004Ao-Ud for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CKjAG-0004Al-Le for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:04:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [195.41.46.237] (helo=pfepc.post.tele.dk) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1CKj29-0007cH-8e; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:55:37 -0400 Original-Received: from kfs-l.imdomain.dk.cua.dk (0x503e2644.bynxx3.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.62.38.68]) by pfepc.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id CC21B2628D1; Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:55:35 +0200 (CEST) Original-To: David Kastrup In-Reply-To: (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:21:13 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:28709 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:28709 David Kastrup writes: > storm@cua.dk (Kim F. Storm) writes: > >> David Kastrup writes: >> >>> In Gnus, I get buttons displayed like >>> [attachment image.jpg] >>> >>> I can click with the middle button to execute a default operation. >>> What I do more frequently is click with the left button, then press a >>> key like "o" to indicate the action. Most (but I don't think all) >>> actions can be selected with a context menu on the right mouse button, >>> but that also means that I have to use a mouse-based file dialog, >>> which is far more inconvenient. It is also much faster for me to type >>> a single letter than to drag the mouse cursor to the right menu entry. >>> >>> If clicking mouse-1 on the button would launch the default action, >>> this would be far more inconvenient for me. >> In the case of gnus attachments, you can click mouse-1 to THE RIGHT of the button and still be able to use the key bindings. Alternatively, you can drag mouse-1 in the link to set point there. >> I see the problem. Maybe mouse-2 could set the point ? I generally want to avoid messing with mouse-2 or mouse-3 -- as the major deviation from common GUI standards only affects mouse-1. The major problem with mouse-2 is when you only have a two-button mouse (can you even get a laptop with three mouse buttons). Sure, I also have a three-button mouse -- but the middle button is on a mouse wheel which is also awkward to click. I have been using my little hack for a few days now, and I absolutely love it. No more messing with clicking both mouse-buttons or mouse wheel to follow a link. I still have to find > > Basically you propose that we interchange button-1 and button-2 on > active text areas. I didn't propose it -- it was just an idea... It's obviously not a good idea in general. >> Anyways, nobody would force you to use the mouse-1-follows-link >> feature. > > That's never a good argument. If we want to introduce a new feature, > we want to make it as good as possible instead of claiming it is the > user's fault anyway if he chooses to activate it. Sure. We need to find a way to DTRT in cases where mouse-1 is needed. -- Kim F. Storm http://www.cua.dk