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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:53:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvpmt0wl8x.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k0j9qf5t.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Wed,  22 Sep 2021 06:48:30 +0000")

My conclusion is that it all depends and it can't really be decided in
the abstract.  So, if you show a prototype things will be much
more clear.


        Stefan


Philip Kaludercic [2021-09-22 06:48:30] wrote:

> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>>> I am not sure how this would help provide forwards compatibility for
>>> older versions? Are you proposing that instead of using
>>> file-name-concat, libraries use compat28-file-name-concat that is
>>> defined in a library for older versions?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> My intuition would be that this wouldn't be worth the effort, seeing as
>>> most people would probably hesitate to use such long names.
>>
>> If the function is important enough that the author would otherwise make
>> its own local function, then I think they'd be happy to use that
>> slightly longer name rather than having their own local definition.
>>
>> If not, then it's probably just as well if they simply don't use it
>> (and that should avoid having the compatibility library accrue
>> too many definitions of too little value).
>
> This I'd describe as compatibility for convenience, but there are also
> examples where core ELPA implement general algorithms and functionality
> that could be used elsewhere too (project--buffers-to-kill and
> project--kill-buffer-check were mentioned as one example last year). But
> they cannot be factored out, because that would raise the minimal
> required version. The complementary example are external packages that
> hesitate to use newer functionality, for the same reason (I already gave
> the example of the second optional "interactive" argument). The
> infrastructure may not exist, but for anyone before Emacs 28, this could
> just be ignored away, while newer users get to keep it.
>
>>         Stefan
>>




  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-22 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-20 23:35 Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21  0:30 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-21  4:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21  8:28   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 12:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-21 12:40   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-21 12:50     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-21 13:38       ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:49       ` João Távora
2021-09-21 13:00     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:12       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-21 13:28         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:24     ` João Távora
2021-09-21 13:29       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:50         ` João Távora
2021-09-21 14:59     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 12:58   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:37     ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:54       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 14:18         ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 15:02   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 15:40     ` João Távora
2021-09-21 16:10       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 16:22         ` João Távora
2021-09-21 17:22       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 17:29         ` João Távora
2021-09-21 19:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-21 21:06       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 21:50         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-22  6:48           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-22 17:53             ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-09-22 18:54               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-22 19:15                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-21 21:57       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 22:08         ` João Távora
2021-09-21 22:16           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 22:24             ` João Távora
2021-09-21 22:25               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 22:34                 ` João Távora
2021-09-22  6:53           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-22  7:12             ` João Távora
2021-09-22  7:14         ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:05 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:27 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:45   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 14:05     ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 22:17 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-21 22:24   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-22  9:54     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-04 23:00 ` [ELPA] Add compat.el Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07  7:03   ` Old (static) builds of Emacs Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07  7:48     ` Michael Albinus
2021-10-07  7:56       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07 12:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-07 20:29       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07 21:21         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-30 21:21     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-01 13:15       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-07 20:49   ` [ELPA] Add compat.el Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-08  5:56     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08  9:59       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-08 11:10         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 11:35           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-08  7:45     ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-10-08 10:00       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-15 19:08   ` Philip Kaludercic

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