From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:53:55 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvpmt0wl8x.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87k0j9qf5t.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Wed, 22 Sep 2021 06:48:30 +0000")
My conclusion is that it all depends and it can't really be decided in
the abstract. So, if you show a prototype things will be much
more clear.
Stefan
Philip Kaludercic [2021-09-22 06:48:30] wrote:
> Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> writes:
>
>>> I am not sure how this would help provide forwards compatibility for
>>> older versions? Are you proposing that instead of using
>>> file-name-concat, libraries use compat28-file-name-concat that is
>>> defined in a library for older versions?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>>> My intuition would be that this wouldn't be worth the effort, seeing as
>>> most people would probably hesitate to use such long names.
>>
>> If the function is important enough that the author would otherwise make
>> its own local function, then I think they'd be happy to use that
>> slightly longer name rather than having their own local definition.
>>
>> If not, then it's probably just as well if they simply don't use it
>> (and that should avoid having the compatibility library accrue
>> too many definitions of too little value).
>
> This I'd describe as compatibility for convenience, but there are also
> examples where core ELPA implement general algorithms and functionality
> that could be used elsewhere too (project--buffers-to-kill and
> project--kill-buffer-check were mentioned as one example last year). But
> they cannot be factored out, because that would raise the minimal
> required version. The complementary example are external packages that
> hesitate to use newer functionality, for the same reason (I already gave
> the example of the second optional "interactive" argument). The
> infrastructure may not exist, but for anyone before Emacs 28, this could
> just be ignored away, while newer users get to keep it.
>
>> Stefan
>>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-22 17:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-20 23:35 Proposal: Forwards-Compatibility Library for Emacs Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 0:30 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-21 4:10 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 8:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 12:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-21 12:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-21 12:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-21 13:38 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:49 ` João Távora
2021-09-21 13:00 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-21 13:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:24 ` João Távora
2021-09-21 13:29 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:50 ` João Távora
2021-09-21 14:59 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 12:58 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:37 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:54 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 14:18 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 15:02 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 15:40 ` João Távora
2021-09-21 16:10 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 16:22 ` João Távora
2021-09-21 17:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 17:29 ` João Távora
2021-09-21 19:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-21 21:06 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 21:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-22 6:48 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-22 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-09-22 18:54 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-22 19:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-21 21:57 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 22:08 ` João Távora
2021-09-21 22:16 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 22:24 ` João Távora
2021-09-21 22:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-21 22:34 ` João Távora
2021-09-22 6:53 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-22 7:12 ` João Távora
2021-09-22 7:14 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:05 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 13:27 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 13:45 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-21 14:05 ` Arthur Miller
2021-09-21 22:17 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-21 22:24 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-22 9:54 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-04 23:00 ` [ELPA] Add compat.el Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07 7:03 ` Old (static) builds of Emacs Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07 7:48 ` Michael Albinus
2021-10-07 7:56 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07 12:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-07 20:29 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-07 21:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-30 21:21 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-01 13:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-07 20:49 ` [ELPA] Add compat.el Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-08 5:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 9:59 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-08 11:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 11:35 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-08 7:45 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-10-08 10:00 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-15 19:08 ` Philip Kaludercic
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