From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default
Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2018 14:30:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvmusid3ez.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83lg82ixw0.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 15 Sep 2018 18:27:43 +0300")
>> > Fine, then we agree. The above issue is not relevant to what I
>> > perceive as the main problem here: how to give us a way to allow
>> > turning on delete-selection-mode without alienating users who have no
>> > use for it and very much dislike its effects, in particular when those
>> > effects are unintended.
>> AFAIK d-s-m has currently only 2 effects:
>> - delete the selection before self-insert-command
>> - same before yank
>> In both cases, if that's not what the user intended, an important
>> question is: why was the region active before those commands?
> Because the user did "C-x C-x"?
So again the problem is not with d-s-m but with C-x C-x, then.
I think many users who are heavy users of the marks for navigation would
benefit from a "halfway" setting for transient-mark-mode, where commands
like C-M-SPC, M-h etc... still activate the region, but where C-SPC, and
C-x C-x don't.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-09-15 18:30 UTC|newest]
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2018-09-07 0:32 delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Noam Postavsky
2018-09-07 0:35 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-07 9:18 ` delete-selection-mode as default hw
2018-09-07 13:16 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-07 13:28 ` Robert Pluim
2018-09-07 13:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-09-07 13:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-07 14:16 ` Robert Pluim
2018-09-07 16:02 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 17:08 ` Robert Pluim
2018-09-07 20:28 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2018-09-07 14:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-08 23:11 ` Juri Linkov
2018-09-09 5:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 16:16 ` Juri Linkov
2018-09-09 14:22 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-16 23:34 ` Juri Linkov
2018-09-17 0:36 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-17 22:37 ` Juri Linkov
2018-09-17 23:12 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-17 23:21 ` Juri Linkov
2018-09-17 23:36 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-19 6:53 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2018-09-19 22:44 ` Juri Linkov
2018-09-07 14:39 ` hw
2018-09-07 16:27 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-08 17:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-09 5:15 ` hw
2018-09-08 5:14 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-08 11:32 ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-09-08 14:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 15:52 ` hw
2018-09-08 19:31 ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-09 3:19 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 6:08 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-09 14:48 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 11:50 ` hw
2018-09-11 4:25 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-10 7:52 ` hw
2018-09-10 11:52 ` visual-region-mode? (was: delete-selection-mode as default) hw
2018-09-10 20:02 ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-11 5:43 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-11 18:25 ` Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-12 5:12 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-12 6:59 ` visual-region-mode? Andreas Schwab
2018-09-12 7:12 ` visual-region-mode? Yuri Khan
2018-09-12 7:44 ` visual-region-mode? Andreas Schwab
2018-09-12 18:31 ` visual-region-mode? (was: delete-selection-mode as default) Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-16 22:55 ` visual-region-mode? Juri Linkov
2018-09-11 21:56 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-12 19:47 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-12 20:40 ` visual-region-mode? Drew Adams
2018-09-12 20:50 ` visual-region-mode? Juri Linkov
2018-09-13 4:01 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-13 4:00 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-13 17:22 ` visual-region-mode? Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-13 20:08 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-13 20:42 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-15 19:21 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-16 19:31 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-17 20:36 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-17 22:24 ` visual-region-mode? Drew Adams
2018-09-17 23:11 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-18 0:11 ` visual-region-mode? Juri Linkov
2018-09-18 12:32 ` visual-region-mode? Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 19:22 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-19 1:45 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-19 19:22 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-19 20:04 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-20 18:14 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-21 20:28 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-24 17:42 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-24 18:07 ` visual-region-mode? Yuri Khan
2018-09-29 11:18 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-10-03 13:13 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-10-04 20:20 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-26 22:00 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-27 21:01 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-10-03 13:59 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-24 20:24 ` visual-region-mode? Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-26 18:12 ` visual-region-mode? Charles A. Roelli
2018-09-26 22:45 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-09-27 17:26 ` visual-region-mode? Alan Mackenzie
2018-10-03 15:43 ` visual-region-mode? hw
2018-10-03 17:03 ` visual-region-mode? Alan Mackenzie
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2018-09-24 20:39 ` visual-region-mode? Drew Adams
2018-09-12 20:27 ` visual-region-mode? Juri Linkov
2018-09-08 18:16 ` delete-selection-mode as default Dmitry Gutov
2018-09-09 7:42 ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-09-09 14:25 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-07 9:40 ` delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Phil Sainty
2018-09-07 13:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 11:37 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-08 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-07 15:35 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 16:16 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-07 19:01 ` tomas
2018-09-07 19:23 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 20:28 ` tomas
2018-09-08 23:19 ` delete-selection-mode as default Juri Linkov
2018-09-09 8:02 ` tomas
2018-09-07 20:33 ` delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Noam Postavsky
2018-09-07 21:31 ` tomas
2018-09-10 8:01 ` delete-selection-mode as default Robert Pluim
2018-09-10 8:09 ` tomas
2018-09-09 13:45 ` delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-09 14:22 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-09 15:12 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 11:42 ` delete-selection-mode as default Filipp Gunbin
2018-09-09 20:39 ` delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Joost Kremers
2018-09-09 22:24 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 3:08 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-10 3:17 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 5:15 ` Bingo
2018-09-10 13:34 ` delete-selection-mode as default Stefan Monnier
2018-09-10 8:46 ` hw
2018-09-10 18:16 ` delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-10 18:35 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-10 19:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-10 20:36 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-11 22:34 ` delete-selection-mode as default hw
2018-09-12 0:04 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-13 2:58 ` hw
2018-09-12 13:16 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-12 13:41 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-12 14:53 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-12 15:51 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-12 15:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-12 16:36 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-13 3:59 ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-09-13 4:16 ` hw
2018-09-13 17:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-13 20:32 ` hw
2018-09-14 10:48 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-14 13:41 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-14 14:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-14 15:37 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-14 14:29 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-14 14:32 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-14 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-14 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-14 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-15 21:20 ` hw
2018-09-15 22:37 ` hw
2018-09-16 0:22 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-16 3:15 ` hw
2018-09-16 3:34 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-16 13:48 ` hw
2018-09-16 14:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-17 21:00 ` hw
2018-09-16 15:28 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-16 16:30 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-16 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-16 18:20 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-16 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-16 20:17 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-17 21:22 ` hw
2018-09-18 12:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 23:45 ` hw
2018-09-19 5:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-19 20:09 ` hw
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2018-09-16 18:04 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-16 18:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2018-09-16 20:14 ` Drew Adams
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2018-09-16 20:29 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-17 5:28 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-16 8:06 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-16 13:36 ` hw
2018-09-16 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-17 22:11 ` hw
2018-09-17 22:44 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-17 23:30 ` hw
2018-09-18 12:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 13:14 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-18 14:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 15:28 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-18 15:37 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-18 16:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-20 1:46 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-20 5:45 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-19 2:26 ` hw
2018-09-19 6:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2018-09-18 18:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-18 19:15 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-14 15:15 ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-09-14 14:33 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-15 21:59 ` hw
2018-09-15 20:31 ` hw
2018-09-11 23:30 ` Juri Linkov
2018-09-12 0:13 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 7:05 ` delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-10 13:41 ` delete-selection-mode as default Stefan Monnier
2018-09-10 14:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2018-09-11 4:22 ` delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Richard Stallman
2018-09-11 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-12 0:33 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-11 8:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-12 0:33 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-12 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-11 12:36 ` delete-selection-mode as default Stefan Monnier
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2018-09-12 0:33 ` Richard Stallman
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2018-09-15 7:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-15 10:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-15 10:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-15 19:44 ` Ergus
2018-09-15 20:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-16 0:29 ` Ergus
2018-09-16 16:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2018-09-17 2:17 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-17 5:46 ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-09-17 18:37 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-17 19:57 ` hw
2018-09-17 22:56 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-15 15:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-15 15:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-15 18:30 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
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2018-09-16 3:14 ` Richard Stallman
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2018-09-17 0:55 ` Drew Adams
2018-10-03 0:22 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-03 17:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 5:13 ` delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Richard Stallman
2018-09-08 14:54 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 1:23 ` Ergus
2018-09-08 17:25 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-08 18:08 ` delete-selection-mode as default Stefan Monnier
2018-09-09 6:08 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-09 7:56 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-09 14:33 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 5:47 ` Richard Stallman
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2018-09-08 3:46 delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Bingo
2018-09-08 15:03 ` delete-selection-mode as default hw
2018-09-08 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 23:27 ` hw
2018-09-09 1:15 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-09 3:33 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 17:41 ` hw
2018-09-08 16:31 ` Bingo
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