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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>,
	k.stevens@ieee.org, 130397@bugs.debian.org,
	agustin.martin@hispalinux.es, lionel@mamane.lu,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, ispell-bugs@itcorp.com
Subject: Re: Bug 130397
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:33:11 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvbrc25v1k.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28878.1105029010@ichips.intel.com> (Ken Stevens's message of "Thu, 06 Jan 2005 08:30:10 -0800")

> Remember that the internationalization of ispell was done long before the
> MULE code was added to emacs.

Actually, it's this understanding that leads me to think that 
CASECHARS, NOT-CASECHARS, OTHERCHARS, MANY-OTHERCHARS-P,
EXTENDED-CHARACER-MODE, and CHARACTER-SET, should be used after encoding
the word.

Before MULE, Emacs only worked with single-byte coding systems (things like
latin-1, but not iso-2022 or utf-8) and the exact same coding-system was
used by ispell, so ispell.el's CASECHARS, NOT-CASECHARS, OTHERCHARS,
MANY-OTHERCHARS-P, EXTENDED-CHARACER-MODE, and CHARACTER-SET applied to
*encoded* text (i.e. text in latin-1 encoding, not in the internal encoding
used in Emacs MULE).

So it would seem to make sense (in order to simulate the pre-MULE behavior),
to first encode the text (into latin-1 or somesuch
singlebyte coding system) and then use CASECHARS, NOT-CASECHARS, OTHERCHARS,
MANY-OTHERCHARS-P, EXTENDED-CHARACER-MODE, and CHARACTER-SET.

Now encoding the whole text can't be realistically done, so we need to first
recognize words, then encode them, then use those vars.
I.e. the word-recogniztion code shouldn't use CASECHARS, NOT-CASECHARS,
OTHERCHARS, MANY-OTHERCHARS-P, EXTENDED-CHARACER-MODE, and CHARACTER-SET.

> For instance, one of the major issues when MULE was implemented was the
> fact that multiple bytes passed to ispell may only count as a single
> byte or character on the display.

How/when can that happen?  Can you give an example?


        Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2005-01-06 17:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <m3addpd2ur.fsf@dionysos.nib>
     [not found]   ` <E19HNCh-0000tv-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]     ` <20040517120658.GA6919@agmartin.aq.upm.es>
     [not found]       ` <E1BQ5z5-0000f4-5u@fencepost.gnu.org>
2004-05-19 11:44         ` Bug 130397 (Was: Emacs - Ispell problem with i[no]german dictionary) Agustin Martin
2004-05-21  8:01           ` Agustin Martin
2004-12-17 12:15       ` Agustin Martin
2004-12-22 12:37         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-12-22 17:13           ` Agustin Martin
2005-01-04 12:50             ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-04 14:55               ` Bug 130397 Stefan
2005-01-05  2:00                 ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-05  4:42                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-05  5:50                     ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-05 14:02                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-01-06  0:44                         ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-06 16:30                           ` Ken Stevens
2005-01-06 17:33                             ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2005-01-07  0:39                               ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-07 15:48                             ` Agustin Martin
2005-01-08 12:31                             ` Geoff Kuenning
2005-01-08 12:47                               ` David Kastrup
2005-01-08 13:29                                 ` Miles Bader
2005-01-08 17:15                                   ` Geoff Kuenning
2005-01-10  4:45                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-01-10  9:09                                     ` David Kastrup
2005-01-10 20:16                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-01-13  7:50                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-08 22:39                               ` Peter Heslin
2005-01-07 15:36                       ` Agustin Martin
2005-01-07 20:29                         ` Ken Stevens
2005-01-07 21:27                         ` Juri Linkov
2005-01-13  5:59                           ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-18 10:44                             ` Juri Linkov
2005-01-18 13:57                               ` Geoff Kuenning
2005-01-19  7:34                                 ` Juri Linkov
2005-01-19 12:22                                   ` Geoff Kuenning
2005-04-29  0:29                                   ` Geoff Kuenning
2005-04-29  8:45                                     ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-01-18 23:24                               ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-19  7:43                                 ` Juri Linkov
2005-01-19 12:52                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-19 13:08                                     ` David Kastrup
2005-01-07 15:34               ` Bug 130397 (Was: Emacs - Ispell problem with i[no]german dictionary) Agustin Martin
2005-01-10 13:06             ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2005-01-10 17:16               ` Agustin Martin
2005-01-11  5:16                 ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-11 19:56                   ` Agustin Martin
2005-01-11 21:39                     ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2005-01-12  7:37                     ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-12 19:17                       ` Agustin Martin
2005-01-13  5:53                         ` Kenichi Handa
2005-01-11 14:29                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-01-12  7:45                   ` Kenichi Handa

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