From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, Emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: ASCII-only startup message?
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 10:18:12 -0800 (PST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a359db73-562c-4237-9a4f-ddf1b65e2040@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5682C34A.30608@cs.ucla.edu>
> > b. How much work would it be to revert the whole thing and
> > go back to using `foo' for symbol quoting?
>
> It would take quite a bit of work to do that.
The lesson - the moral of the story - is that Emacs Dev should
not have let you shepherd Emacs off the cliff so precipitously.
"Easy does it" should have been the approach. And with continual
interaction with, and feedback from, users, as any changes were
introduced.
There _was_ some pushback from users (who follow emacs-devel) as
you went full-steam ahead. But we were explicitly told to hold
off; that this was all just an "experiment"; and that we could
express ourselves afterward. Well,... Now the "experiment" is
a fait accompli. Congratulations. Emacs Dev has a lesson to
learn here, however (IMHO).
> Emacs has been lagging behind.
This is precisely the mantra that lured Emacs Dev into giving
you the green light, Paul, or at least into taking an attitude
of let's-wait-and-see-how-the-experiment-goes. Going, going,
gone. But still going. Out with the old! In with the new!
Follow me, forward and onward...
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-12-29 18:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-12-26 17:25 ASCII-only startup message? Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 18:41 ` Random832
2015-12-26 18:50 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 18:45 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 19:40 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 20:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 23:28 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27 0:17 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 1:03 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-27 2:51 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 1:09 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27 15:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 18:45 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27 6:58 ` Random832
2015-12-27 14:17 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 14:55 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 16:35 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 17:42 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 19:27 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 22:47 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 23:45 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28 2:01 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 5:51 ` Random832
2015-12-28 10:09 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 6:05 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28 10:13 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 9:12 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 10:15 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 14:59 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 18:39 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 9:37 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-28 10:16 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-29 7:05 ` Random832
2015-12-29 8:01 ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-29 14:38 ` Random832
2015-12-29 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 17:05 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 18:00 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-29 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 19:24 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 15:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 17:40 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 16:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 3:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 8:12 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 20:04 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29 6:50 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-29 16:55 ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29 17:30 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 18:18 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-01-01 13:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-01 17:48 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-01 17:50 ` John Wiegley
2016-01-02 8:14 ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 15:05 ` Random832
2015-12-29 16:49 ` John Wiegley
[not found] ` <<n5u7gn$6vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
2015-12-29 17:46 ` Drew Adams
[not found] <<567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu>
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