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From: "Per Starbäck" <per@starback.se>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: ASCII-only startup message?
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 17:35:37 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADkQgvstRG0gDuj6Q=gubo2kuURc9_+fMWLnZ4dSKV-8MH28VQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <444c19cb-4687-41c4-8291-481f5b5a42a1@default>

>> Unicode has muddle[d] it further by bad names for these
>> characters. I think ascii ' should have a name similar to ascii -
>> (HYPHEN-MINUS) which shows that this is something used as a stand-in
>> for several different characters.
>
> Yes.  And not just the names.  Unicode too has a single stand-in for
> multiple (2) characters.  A single Unicode character is apparently
> meant (recommended) to represent both the apostrophe and the right
> single quotation mark.

I don't agree. It *is* one character that is used in several ways, in
that typographical traditional sees them as the same character.
(Important for Unicode is also that no previous character set
differentiated between them, because then it would have to as well, by
its design decisions.)

That one character has several meanings, as the exclamation mark "!"
also means factorial doesn't mean it needs to be seen as two
characters. Even when there are such "double characters" in Unicode
often you are recommended to only use one of them anyway. That's the
case with U+00E5 "ANGSTROM SIGN" where you normally instead use the
letter Å (LATIN CAPITAL LETTER A WITH RING ABOVE, U+00C5) instead.

I suspect that the thought that the apostrophe is "another" character
than one of the curly quotes wouldn't at all be so strong if the
Unicode name for ' wasn't APOSTROPHE but instead was TYPEWRITER SINGLE
QUOTATION MARK.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-27 16:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-12-26 17:25 ASCII-only startup message? Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 18:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 18:41   ` Random832
2015-12-26 18:50     ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 19:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 19:01     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 18:45   ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 19:10     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 19:40       ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-26 20:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-26 23:28           ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27  0:17             ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27  1:03               ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-27  2:51                 ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27  1:09               ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27 15:56                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27 18:45                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-27  6:58               ` Random832
2015-12-27 14:17                 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 14:55                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 16:35                     ` Per Starbäck [this message]
2015-12-27 17:42                       ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 19:27                         ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-27 22:47                           ` Drew Adams
2015-12-27 23:45                             ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28  2:01                               ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  5:51                                 ` Random832
2015-12-28 10:09                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  6:05                                 ` Per Starbäck
2015-12-28 10:13                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  9:12                                 ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 10:15                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 14:59                                     ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 18:39                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28  9:37                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-28 10:16                               ` Drew Adams
2015-12-29  7:05                                 ` Random832
2015-12-29  8:01                                   ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-29 14:38                                     ` Random832
2015-12-29 15:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 17:05                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 18:00                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-12-29 18:16                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 19:24                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 15:55                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-29 17:40                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-28 16:31                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27  3:44             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-27  8:12               ` Nikolai Weibull
2015-12-28 20:04               ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29  6:50                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-29 16:55                   ` John Wiegley
2015-12-29 17:30                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 18:18                       ` Drew Adams
2016-01-01 13:29                       ` Marcin Borkowski
2016-01-01 17:48                         ` John Wiegley
2016-01-01 17:50                           ` John Wiegley
2016-01-02  8:14                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-29 15:05                 ` Random832
2015-12-29 16:49                   ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                 ` <<n5u7gn$6vh$1@ger.gmane.org>
2015-12-29 17:46                   ` Drew Adams
     [not found] <<567ECD8C.1070408@cs.ucla.edu>

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