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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Fetching or installing package dev source from VCS: names
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 16:43:35 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1ojo0N-0004k5-Ia@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874jw73cjy.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Thu, 13 Oct 2022 16:37:05 +0000)

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Given what this command does, according to the documentation just
posted, I suggest we call it

   package-dev-source

or

   package-upstream-source

to correspond clearly to what it does.

Corresponding index entries could be these two.

   @cindex package development source
   @cindex package upstream source

Whether it is good to include them depends on what the
sorted index will look like with them and without them.
One or both might be redundant, or miht not.

In the case of NonGNU ELPA, which repo does this access?
Our repo?

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
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  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-15 20:43 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] ` <20220214140020.04438C00891@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
2022-02-14 16:20   ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Stefan Monnier
2022-02-14 20:57     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-14 21:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-14 23:44         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-15  2:58           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-15 17:13             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-15 18:34               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-16 22:49                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-17  2:56                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-17  9:21                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-19 16:28                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-19 18:35                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-19 20:15                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-18  8:57                     ` Augusto Stoffel
2022-02-18 14:49                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-08 15:47     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-08 15:58       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-08 16:20         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 14:21           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-09 14:34             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 14:38               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-09 15:17                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-10  8:01                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-10 11:06                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-13 16:37                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15 20:43                         ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2022-10-16  8:31                           ` Fetching or installing package dev source from VCS: names Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-18 12:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-19  7:04                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 12:12                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-21 19:39                                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-15 20:43                         ` package-contact-maintainer Richard Stallman
2022-10-16  8:35                           ` package-contact-maintainer Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16  9:19                             ` package-contact-maintainer Stefan Kangas
2022-10-16 11:02                               ` package-contact-maintainer Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15 20:43                         ` Fetching or installing package dev source from VCS: manual style Richard Stallman
2022-10-16 13:30                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16 19:47                             ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-10-16 22:33                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17 22:27                                 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-10-20 16:46                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-21 17:44                                     ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-10-21 19:19                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-18 12:04                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-18 14:03                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-19  6:58                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 11:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-21 22:11                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-23 19:11                                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-23 19:11                                     ` Multiple index entries Richard Stallman
2022-10-23 19:11                                     ` "Package from Source" Richard Stallman
2022-10-24 16:27                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 19:18                                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-23 19:11                                     ` Installation from ELPA Richard Stallman
2022-10-23 19:14                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-24 19:30                                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-24 13:19                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-28 21:57                                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-18 12:05                             ` Fetching or installing package dev source from VCS: manual style Richard Stallman
2022-10-18 15:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-19  7:02                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16 22:18                         ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  5:25                           ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17 12:16                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-17 17:21                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17 21:41                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-18 20:45                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-18 21:43                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-18 20:43                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-18 21:40                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-19  7:08                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 12:19                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-19 12:29                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 13:15                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-21 21:58                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-21 22:34                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-22 10:45                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-22 14:53                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-22 15:06                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-23 11:32                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-24 13:00                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-24 15:35                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-24 20:21                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-24 20:34                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-24 23:57                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26  7:19                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 23:14             ` Tim Cross
2022-10-08 16:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-08 17:18           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-08 19:02         ` Tim Cross
2022-10-09 12:38           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 21:36             ` Tim Cross
2022-10-10 22:01           ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-15 15:52       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15 16:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:14           ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-17 12:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-16  7:10           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-10-16  8:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16  9:29               ` tomas
2022-10-16 10:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 11:32                   ` tomas
2022-10-16 22:22           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  6:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  6:27               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  6:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17 17:23                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17 21:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-18 20:45                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 17:02                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-19 17:06                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-24 19:34                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-20 16:01                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-22 19:59                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-23  9:04                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-25 20:13                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-26  7:11                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 12:00                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26 15:28                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:36                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26 18:48                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:58                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26 19:27                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 23:40                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 16:46                                               ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-01 17:13                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-01 17:58                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 18:35                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-01 18:51                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-01 19:04                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 19:14                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-01 19:26                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-01 20:26                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 22:19                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02  1:23                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-02  1:45                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-02  8:01                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 12:49                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-02 14:44                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03  3:18                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-03 14:10                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-05  3:13                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-02  3:32                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02  8:13                                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2022-11-02  3:25                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 10:18                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-02 12:45                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-02 13:19                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 13:00                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 13:16                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03  3:17                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-03 14:09                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-05  3:13                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-28 17:24                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 15:14                                               ` Merging feature/package+vc Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 15:45                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-29 15:39                                               ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Stefan Monnier
2022-10-29 16:00                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 16:57                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-30 13:06                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 14:00                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-30 14:15                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 14:36                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-30 14:51                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 14:59                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-30 17:58                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 22:08                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-04 18:01                                                                     ` feature/package-vc has been merged Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-04 19:12                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-05 11:13                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 16:43                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05 17:22                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 11:43                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 12:31                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 15:28                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 15:37                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 15:58                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 16:06                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 16:42                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 17:05                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 17:31                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 17:37                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 18:35                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 19:03                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-07  8:42                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07 12:07                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-07 16:58                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07 17:07                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-07 17:57                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07 18:10                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07 18:19                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-08 20:15                                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-08 21:35                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09  8:15                                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 12:41                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-09 17:15                                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 17:49                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 18:00                                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 18:33                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 19:04                                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 19:53                                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 20:32                                                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 21:21                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 21:33                                                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 15:23                                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 15:56                                                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 17:29                                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 17:57                                                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 20:05                                                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 22:09                                                                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 23:23                                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-17 16:41                                                                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 23:26                                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 19:05                                                                                                                             ` Updating the "ELPA Protocol" Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-15 19:58                                                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-15 20:41                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16  7:35                                                                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16  7:54                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16 15:07                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 15:32                                                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 16:46                                                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 16:59                                                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 17:42                                                                                                                                           ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-16 18:04                                                                                                                                   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-16 19:20                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-18 14:20                                                                                                                                       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-07  1:30                                                                                                   ` feature/package-vc has been merged Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07  3:29                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-07  4:43                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07 11:48                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-08  8:54                                                                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-08 21:57                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-08  7:15                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-08  8:46                                                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-08 20:21                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  6:51                                                                                                         ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09  7:07                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  7:23                                                                                                             ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09  8:27                                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 11:03                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 17:45                                                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 20:18                                                                                                                     ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 20:39                                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-11  4:34                                                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11  6:43                                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12  3:36                                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11 18:44                                                                                                                         ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-11 19:46                                                                                                                           ` tomas
2022-11-12  3:38                                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-12  6:30                                                                                                                             ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12  8:10                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-12 13:03                                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12 13:03                                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12  7:45                                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 13:01                                                                                                                             ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12 13:15                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-12 13:41                                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12 14:15                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-12 13:23                                                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-11-12 13:40                                                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 14:34                                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-13 15:16                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-13 18:18                                                                                                                                     ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-13 15:53                                                                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 17:56                                                                                                                                     ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-13 18:08                                                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 20:20                                                                                                                                         ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-13 20:54                                                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 22:19                                                                                                                                             ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-14  5:37                                                                                                                                               ` tomas
2022-11-09  6:44                                                                                                   ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09  7:02                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  7:19                                                                                                       ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09  8:26                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 10:52                                                                                                           ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 17:41                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 20:16                                                                                                               ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 21:10                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 23:40                                                                                                                   ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-10  0:11                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-10  7:23                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-09 17:44                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 20:05                                                                                                               ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 20:45                                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 23:33                                                                                                                   ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-10  0:03                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 17:25                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 17:35                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 18:22                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-05 23:00                                                                       ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-06  0:23                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-06  8:15                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07  0:58                                                                             ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-07  8:30                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07 23:17                                                                                 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-08 21:53                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  0:44                                                                                     ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-09  7:09                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  8:54                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 23:52                                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-10 18:18                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-10 18:26                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-10 19:44                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-10 18:29                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12  0:32                                                                                               ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-12  7:59                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 22:57                                                                                                   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-13  0:01                                                                                                     ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-13  1:38                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-13 21:42                                                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-13  3:00                                                                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 22:20                                                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-13  7:01                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 22:11                                                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-14 11:41                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13  0:16                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 15:55                                                           ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-31  8:23                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-31 11:56                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-31 14:23                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:22                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26 18:41                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:59                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 16:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-01 18:27                                     ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VACS Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 19:06                                     ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 16:46                                   ` Not a prefix arg Richard Stallman
2022-11-01 11:10                                 ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Richard Stallman
2022-11-01 14:54                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03  3:17                                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-03 15:18                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03 18:39                                         ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VACS Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05  3:14                                         ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Richard Stallman
2022-11-05  7:15                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05 11:14                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 11:21                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05 12:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 16:45                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03  3:17                                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-25 20:13                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-26  6:49                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-23 17:04     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 18:23     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-16 20:01       ` Philip Kaludercic

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