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From: "Björn Bidar" <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>
To: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	 monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,  rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: feature/package-vc has been merged
Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 09:19:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87eductx0x.fsf@thaodan.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o7tgfw4m.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Wed,  09 Nov 2022 07:02:49 +0000")

Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes:

>> From my pov if you use the package directly from the version control
>> system you need to take these specialties into account.
>> Source isn't used as is but processed by the packages build-system.
>> But the user also needs to take not that all the necessary tools such as
>> make or ninja are installed.
>
> Right, this is currently not supported.  Theoretically for security
> reasons, but security and packaging in Emacs have rarely been mutual
> considerations.  Adding it wouldn't be difficult, but coming up with a
> sensible fallback strategy might be.

Without such a system the package could be without use in many cases.

I noticed recently that some external packages such as projectile where
copied but not to the extend or why that they are useful.

For example Borg only works because of magit, epkg is almost useles
without Borg.

If the packages complete use case isn't meat it should at least get all
the features that it is useful without applying hacks so it can be used
in the next Emacs version.
I understand that you try to get it closer however that would then only
affect anything after Emacs 29.

Br,

Björn



  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-09  7:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 345+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-02-14 16:20   ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Stefan Monnier
2022-02-14 20:57     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-14 21:25       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-14 23:44         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-15  2:58           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-15 17:13             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-15 18:34               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-16 22:49                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-17  2:56                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-17  9:21                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-19 16:28                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-19 18:35                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-02-19 20:15                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-02-18  8:57                     ` Augusto Stoffel
2022-02-18 14:49                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-08 15:47     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-08 15:58       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-08 16:20         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 14:21           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-09 14:34             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 14:38               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-09 15:17                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-10  8:01                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-10 11:06                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-13 16:37                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15 20:43                         ` Fetching or installing package dev source from VCS: names Richard Stallman
2022-10-16  8:31                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-18 12:05                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-19  7:04                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 12:12                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-21 19:39                                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-15 20:43                         ` package-contact-maintainer Richard Stallman
2022-10-16  8:35                           ` package-contact-maintainer Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16  9:19                             ` package-contact-maintainer Stefan Kangas
2022-10-16 11:02                               ` package-contact-maintainer Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15 20:43                         ` Fetching or installing package dev source from VCS: manual style Richard Stallman
2022-10-16 13:30                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16 19:47                             ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-10-16 22:33                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17 22:27                                 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-10-20 16:46                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-21 17:44                                     ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-10-21 19:19                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-18 12:04                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-18 14:03                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-19  6:58                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 11:13                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-21 22:11                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-23 19:11                                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-23 19:11                                     ` Multiple index entries Richard Stallman
2022-10-23 19:11                                     ` "Package from Source" Richard Stallman
2022-10-24 16:27                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 19:18                                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-23 19:11                                     ` Installation from ELPA Richard Stallman
2022-10-23 19:14                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-24 19:30                                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-24 13:19                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-28 21:57                                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-18 12:05                             ` Fetching or installing package dev source from VCS: manual style Richard Stallman
2022-10-18 15:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-19  7:02                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-16 22:18                         ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  5:25                           ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-17 12:16                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-17 17:21                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17 21:41                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-18 20:45                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-18 21:43                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-18 20:43                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-18 21:40                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-19  7:08                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 12:19                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-19 12:29                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 13:15                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-21 21:58                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-21 22:34                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-22 10:45                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-22 14:53                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-22 15:06                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-23 11:32                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-24 13:00                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-24 15:35                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-24 20:21                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-24 20:34                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-24 23:57                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26  7:19                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 23:14             ` Tim Cross
2022-10-08 16:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-08 17:18           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-08 19:02         ` Tim Cross
2022-10-09 12:38           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 21:36             ` Tim Cross
2022-10-10 22:01           ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-15 15:52       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-15 16:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-15 17:14           ` Sean Whitton
2022-10-17 12:17             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-16  7:10           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2022-10-16  8:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16  9:29               ` tomas
2022-10-16 10:31                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-16 11:32                   ` tomas
2022-10-16 22:22           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  6:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17  6:27               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17  6:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17 17:23                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-17 21:44                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-18 20:45                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-19 17:02                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-19 17:06                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-24 19:34                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-20 16:01                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-22 19:59                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-23  9:04                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-25 20:13                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-26  7:11                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 12:00                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26 15:28                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:36                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26 18:48                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:58                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26 19:27                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 23:40                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 16:46                                               ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-01 17:13                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-01 17:58                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 18:35                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-01 18:51                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-01 19:04                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 19:14                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-01 19:26                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-01 20:26                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 22:19                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02  1:23                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-02  1:45                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-02  8:01                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-02 12:49                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-02 14:44                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03  3:18                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-03 14:10                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-05  3:13                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-02  3:32                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02  8:13                                                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2022-11-02  3:25                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 10:18                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-02 12:45                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-02 13:19                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 13:00                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-02 13:16                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03  3:17                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-03 14:09                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-05  3:13                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-28 17:24                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 15:14                                               ` Merging feature/package+vc Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 15:45                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-29 15:39                                               ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Stefan Monnier
2022-10-29 16:00                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-29 16:57                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-30 13:06                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 14:00                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-30 14:15                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 14:36                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-30 14:51                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 14:59                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-30 17:58                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 22:08                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-04 18:01                                                                     ` feature/package-vc has been merged Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-04 19:12                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-05 11:13                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 16:43                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05 17:22                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 11:43                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 12:31                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 15:28                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 15:37                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 15:58                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 16:06                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 16:42                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 17:05                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 17:31                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 17:37                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-06 18:35                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-06 19:03                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-07  8:42                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07 12:07                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-07 16:58                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07 17:07                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-07 17:57                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07 18:10                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07 18:19                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-08 20:15                                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-08 21:35                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09  8:15                                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 12:41                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-09 17:15                                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 17:49                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 18:00                                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 18:33                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 19:04                                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 19:53                                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 20:32                                                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 21:21                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 21:33                                                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 15:23                                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 15:56                                                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 17:29                                                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 17:57                                                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 20:05                                                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 22:09                                                                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 23:23                                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-17 16:41                                                                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 23:26                                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 19:05                                                                                                                             ` Updating the "ELPA Protocol" Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-15 19:58                                                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-15 20:41                                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16  7:35                                                                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16  7:54                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-16 15:07                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 15:32                                                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 16:46                                                                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-16 16:59                                                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 17:42                                                                                                                                           ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-16 18:04                                                                                                                                   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-16 19:20                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-18 14:20                                                                                                                                       ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-07  1:30                                                                                                   ` feature/package-vc has been merged Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07  3:29                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-07  4:43                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-07 11:48                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-08  8:54                                                                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-08 21:57                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-08  7:15                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-08  8:46                                                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-08 20:21                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  6:51                                                                                                         ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09  7:07                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  7:23                                                                                                             ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09  8:27                                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 11:03                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 17:45                                                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 20:18                                                                                                                     ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 20:39                                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-11  4:34                                                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11  6:43                                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12  3:36                                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11 18:44                                                                                                                         ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-11 19:46                                                                                                                           ` tomas
2022-11-12  3:38                                                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-12  6:30                                                                                                                             ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12  8:10                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-12 13:03                                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12 13:03                                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12  7:45                                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 13:01                                                                                                                             ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12 13:15                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-12 13:41                                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-12 14:15                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-12 13:23                                                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2022-11-12 13:40                                                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 14:34                                                                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-13 15:16                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-13 18:18                                                                                                                                     ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-13 15:53                                                                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 17:56                                                                                                                                     ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-13 18:08                                                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 20:20                                                                                                                                         ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-13 20:54                                                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 22:19                                                                                                                                             ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-14  5:37                                                                                                                                               ` tomas
2022-11-09  6:44                                                                                                   ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09  7:02                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  7:19                                                                                                       ` Björn Bidar [this message]
2022-11-09  8:26                                                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 10:52                                                                                                           ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 17:41                                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 20:16                                                                                                               ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 21:10                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 23:40                                                                                                                   ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-10  0:11                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-10  7:23                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-09 17:44                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 20:05                                                                                                               ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-09 20:45                                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 23:33                                                                                                                   ` Björn Bidar
2022-11-10  0:03                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 17:25                                                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-09 17:35                                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 18:22                                                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-05 23:00                                                                       ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-06  0:23                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-06  8:15                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07  0:58                                                                             ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-07  8:30                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-07 23:17                                                                                 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-08 21:53                                                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  0:44                                                                                     ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-09  7:09                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09  8:54                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-09 23:52                                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-10 18:18                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-10 18:26                                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-10 19:44                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-10 18:29                                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12  0:32                                                                                               ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-12  7:59                                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-12 22:57                                                                                                   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-13  0:01                                                                                                     ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-13  1:38                                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-13 21:42                                                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-13  3:00                                                                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-13 22:20                                                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-13  7:01                                                                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13 22:11                                                                                                         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-11-14 11:41                                                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-13  0:16                                                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-30 15:55                                                           ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-31  8:23                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-31 11:56                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-31 14:23                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:22                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:40                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-26 18:41                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-26 18:59                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 16:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-01 18:27                                     ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VACS Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-01 19:06                                     ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Stefan Monnier
2022-11-01 16:46                                   ` Not a prefix arg Richard Stallman
2022-11-01 11:10                                 ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Richard Stallman
2022-11-01 14:54                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03  3:17                                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-03 15:18                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03 18:39                                         ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VACS Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05  3:14                                         ` feature/package+vc 04c4c578c7 3/4: Allow for packages to be installed directly from VCS Richard Stallman
2022-11-05  7:15                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05 11:14                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 11:21                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-05 12:33                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 16:45                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-03  3:17                                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-25 20:13                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-26  6:49                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-23 17:04     ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-11-16 18:23     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2022-11-16 20:01       ` Philip Kaludercic

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