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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2015 00:30:30 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1ZTMvO-00062e-9q@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55D8FB22.4080503@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Sat,  22 Aug 2015 15:43:46 -0700)

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  >    (format "Moving file ‘%s’ to ‘%s’" src dest)
  >    (message "Moving file ‘%s’ to ‘%s’" src dest)
  >    (error "Cannot move file ‘%s’ to ‘%s’" src dest)

  > All three uses generate ambiguous output if SRC and DEST can
  > contain arbitrary characters, and this is true even if we fiddle
  > with the format strings’ quoting styles.

That is true -- but the problem case is unusual, and the harm done
when it happens is not a disaster.  Meanwhile, it is not clear how to
solve the problem 100%.

We know how to do quoting that is reliable.  print does that for strings.
But that looks bad in these error messages.  Do we really want to make them
ugly in .1% of the cases to avoid ambiguity in .001% of the cases,
which will confuse the user in only .00001% of the cases?

(Those figures are guesses but I expect they are in the ballpark.)

Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote:

  > An ambiguity in `format' can cause an 
  > unexpected error due to a program, say, being unable to open a file.

That would happen only if you're trying to parse the output and use
the result, and that seems like bad practice to me.

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Dr Richard Stallman
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-08-23  4:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 212+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <E1ZR0NZ-0002SU-SM@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-16 21:44   ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-16 22:53     ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-16 23:16       ` Drew Adams
2015-08-18  3:40       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-18  5:20         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18  8:56           ` Bastien
2015-08-18 17:34             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 18:05               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-18 18:32                 ` Chad Brown
2015-08-18 19:42                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 20:17                     ` Drew Adams
2015-08-24 20:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-25 11:35                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-25 22:11                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-25 22:16                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-26 18:51                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-26 22:23                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-26 22:39                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-08-26 22:53                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-27  2:44                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-27  3:11                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-27  4:43                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-27  4:49                                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27 16:27                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-27 16:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-27  3:10                                   ` Alexis
2015-08-27  4:48                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27  4:52                                       ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27  4:49                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-27  5:08                                       ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27  7:33                                         ` David Kastrup
2015-08-27  8:47                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-27  8:56                                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27 16:28                                           ` [TRUNCATED MESSAGE 2408 171455] " Richard Stallman
2015-08-27 17:44                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-27 11:27                                       ` Alexis
2015-08-27 16:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-27 17:16                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  1:41                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-28  2:02                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  7:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 21:17                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-28  8:12                                               ` Rasmus
2015-08-28  8:32                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  8:38                                                   ` Rasmus
2015-08-28  8:47                                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-28  9:08                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  9:36                                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-28  9:05                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  9:53                                                       ` Rasmus
2015-08-28 10:05                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 10:12                                                           ` Rasmus
2015-08-28 12:45                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:04                                                               ` Rasmus
2015-08-28 15:31                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  9:01                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 16:40                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 19:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-29 14:50                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-29 16:15                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-30  2:00                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-30 14:41                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-30 15:49                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-08-31  1:33                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 14:29                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-31 17:36                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 17:52                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-01  3:33                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 21:20                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-28  7:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-18 20:53                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-18 21:43                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19  1:09                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19 18:14                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-20 13:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-21  7:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-21 12:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21 12:52                           ` David Kastrup
2015-08-22 17:30                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21 13:58                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2015-08-21 14:39                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-19  1:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19  3:52                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19 18:15                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:52                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20 16:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21  0:48                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-21  1:35                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 20:47               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19  1:24           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19  4:52             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-24 20:20               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-17  3:44     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 11:09       ` Bastien Guerry
2015-08-17 16:39         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 16:57           ` Bastien
2015-08-17 17:25             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 17:47               ` Bastien
2015-08-17 11:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 16:41         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 11:47       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 16:42         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 18:11           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 18:38             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 18:50               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 23:25                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-08-17 23:55                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 11:31                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19  6:28                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19 13:30                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19 22:21                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19 22:38                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-20 13:55                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-21 23:47                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22  0:19                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 12:45                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-24 17:33                                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-25  7:11                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-25 11:38                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-25 18:03                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-26  1:25                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-26  2:51                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20 16:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-20 19:32                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 16:31                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22 18:48                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 21:09                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22 22:43                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 23:08                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22 23:45                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-23  8:11                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-23  9:48                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-23 10:45                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-23 10:48                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-24  5:47                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-23  4:30                                       ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2015-08-23  8:13                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-24  0:08                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-24  1:10                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-24 20:22                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-24 20:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-24 22:25                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-25 22:10                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-26  6:13                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 12:15       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-17 14:40         ` Drew Adams
2015-08-17 16:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-17 19:06             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 19:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-17 16:53         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 17:35           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18  2:55             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 10:39               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 16:45                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 17:17                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 19:25                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 20:42                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 21:40                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 22:44                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-18 23:11                             ` Bastien
2015-08-18 23:41                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19  0:29                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19  0:38                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19 18:15                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:40                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20 13:37                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-08-20 20:23                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-21  7:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-21 15:27                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-22 17:29                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19  6:31                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19  6:58                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19  9:09                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19  9:13                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-19 14:05                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19 14:47                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-19 16:10                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-20 23:46                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19 14:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19 16:03                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-22 17:27                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-23  0:04                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-24  0:05                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:16                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21  7:17                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-22 17:27                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:14                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-18 23:15                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-19  4:24                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19  7:37                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19 10:10                               ` Nicolas Richard
2015-08-19 14:26                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-19 21:53                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20  7:20                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-20 13:31                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-18 15:09             ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-18 15:24               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-18 15:48                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-18 15:48               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 17:08                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-18 18:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19  4:45                     ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-19 14:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19  5:19                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19 14:15                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19 16:05                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19  1:19             ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-17 18:22           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-18  3:55             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-18 10:51               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-18 12:31               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-18  3:44           ` Richard Stallman

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