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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2015 13:23:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55D63748.3010207@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <85k2sqw04a.fsf@iznogoud.viz>

Wolfgang Jenkner wrote:
> I'd think that "common modern practice" for GNU projects is described in
> (info "(gettext) po/LINGUAS").
>
> IIUC, the description there recommends that the usual "ugly" quotes
> should be used in source files and translated at run time according to
> the locale.

gettext caters to C and that part of its manual makes sense for languages like 
C, because portable C programs can't easily put non-ASCII characters into string 
literals and C programmers don't have a practical alternative to putting "ugly" 
quotes of some sort into their string literals.  This sort of uglification isn't 
necessary for Emacs Lisp, though.

If Emacs were to use gettext, presumably it would wrap every English-language 
diagnostic in a call to gettext, even diagnostics that don't involve quotes. 
For example:

   (format (gettext "Buffer %S has a running process; kill it? ")
           (buffer-name (current-buffer)))
   (format (gettext "‘add-to-list’ can't use var ‘%s’") sym)
   ...

We'd also need ask the Translation Project to maintain a set of translations for 
all the Emacs diagnostics.  This would work regardless of the quoting style used 
in the source code, and would be a good project to do, if someone wanted to do 
it.  It'd be a much bigger project than fixing quoting, though, as the set of 
changes involved to Emacs would be more complicated than the above simple 
examples suggest.



  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-20 20:23 UTC|newest]

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     [not found] ` <E1ZR0NZ-0002SU-SM@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2015-08-16 21:44   ` [Emacs-diffs] master 9ce1d38: Use curved quotes in core elisp diagnostics Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-16 22:53     ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-16 23:16       ` Drew Adams
2015-08-18  3:40       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-18  5:20         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18  8:56           ` Bastien
2015-08-18 17:34             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 18:05               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-18 18:32                 ` Chad Brown
2015-08-18 19:42                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 20:17                     ` Drew Adams
2015-08-24 20:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-25 11:35                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-25 22:11                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-25 22:16                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-26 18:51                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-26 22:23                                 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-26 22:39                                   ` David Kastrup
2015-08-26 22:53                                     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-27  2:44                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-27  3:11                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-27  4:43                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-08-27  4:49                                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27 16:27                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-27 16:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-27  3:10                                   ` Alexis
2015-08-27  4:48                                     ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27  4:52                                       ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27  4:49                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-27  5:08                                       ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27  7:33                                         ` David Kastrup
2015-08-27  8:47                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-27  8:56                                           ` Werner LEMBERG
2015-08-27 16:28                                           ` [TRUNCATED MESSAGE 2408 171455] " Richard Stallman
2015-08-27 17:44                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-27 11:27                                       ` Alexis
2015-08-27 16:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-27 17:16                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  1:41                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-28  2:02                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  7:28                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 21:17                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-28  8:12                                               ` Rasmus
2015-08-28  8:32                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-28  8:38                                                   ` Rasmus
2015-08-28  8:47                                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-28  9:08                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  9:36                                                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-28  9:05                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  9:53                                                       ` Rasmus
2015-08-28 10:05                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 10:12                                                           ` Rasmus
2015-08-28 12:45                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 15:04                                                               ` Rasmus
2015-08-28 15:31                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28  9:01                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-28 16:40                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 19:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-29 14:50                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-29 16:15                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-30  2:00                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-30 14:41                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-30 15:49                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-08-31  1:33                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 14:29                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-31 17:36                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-31 17:52                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-01  3:33                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-28 21:20                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-28  7:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-18 20:53                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-18 21:43                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19  1:09                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19 18:14                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-20 13:56                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-21  7:51                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-21 12:43                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21 12:52                           ` David Kastrup
2015-08-22 17:30                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21 13:58                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2015-08-21 14:39                           ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-19  1:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19  3:52                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19 18:15                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:52                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20 16:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21  0:48                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-21  1:35                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 20:47               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19  1:24           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19  4:52             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-24 20:20               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-17  3:44     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 11:09       ` Bastien Guerry
2015-08-17 16:39         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 16:57           ` Bastien
2015-08-17 17:25             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 17:47               ` Bastien
2015-08-17 11:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 16:41         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 11:47       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 16:42         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 18:11           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 18:38             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 18:50               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-17 23:25                 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-08-17 23:55                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 11:31                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19  6:28                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19 13:30                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19 22:21                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19 22:38                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-20 13:55                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-21 23:47                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22  0:19                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 12:45                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-24 17:33                                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-25  7:11                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-25 11:38                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-25 18:03                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-26  1:25                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-26  2:51                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20 16:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-20 19:32                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 16:31                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22 18:48                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 21:09                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22 22:43                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-22 23:08                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-22 23:45                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-23  8:11                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-23  9:48                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-23 10:45                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-23 10:48                                               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-24  5:47                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-23  4:30                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-23  8:13                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-24  0:08                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-24  1:10                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-24 20:22                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-24 20:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-24 22:25                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-25 22:10                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-26  6:13                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 12:15       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-17 14:40         ` Drew Adams
2015-08-17 16:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-17 19:06             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 19:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-17 16:53         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-17 17:35           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18  2:55             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 10:39               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 16:45                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 17:17                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 19:25                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 20:42                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 21:40                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-18 22:44                           ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-18 23:11                             ` Bastien
2015-08-18 23:41                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19  0:29                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19  0:38                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19 18:15                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:40                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20 13:37                               ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-08-20 20:23                                 ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2015-08-21  7:41                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-21 15:27                                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-22 17:29                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19  6:31                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19  6:58                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19  9:09                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19  9:13                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-19 14:05                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19 14:47                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-19 16:10                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-20 23:46                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-19 14:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19 16:03                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-22 17:27                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-23  0:04                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-24  0:05                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:16                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-21  7:17                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-22 17:27                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-19 18:14                             ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-18 23:15                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-19  4:24                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-19  7:37                               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-19 10:10                               ` Nicolas Richard
2015-08-19 14:26                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-08-19 21:53                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-20  7:20                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-20 13:31                                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-18 15:09             ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-18 15:24               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-08-18 15:48                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-18 15:48               ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-08-18 17:08                 ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-18 18:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19  4:45                     ` Yuri Khan
2015-08-19 14:14                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19  5:19                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19 14:15                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-08-19 16:05                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-19  1:19             ` Richard Stallman
2015-08-17 18:22           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-18  3:55             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-08-18 10:51               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-18 12:31               ` Óscar Fuentes
2015-08-18  3:44           ` Richard Stallman

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