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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:24:27 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E18ziPr-0007Sh-00@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1048872463.17161.132.camel@localhost.localdomain> (message from Owen Taylor on 28 Mar 2003 12:27:43 -0500)

    An observation I'd make is that a scrollbar really encodes two
    things:

     - A value
     - A percentage of a total size

    If we look at the scrollbar on the screen, we have:

     v = thumb_start / (trough_pixels - thumb_pixels)
     p = thumb_pixels / trough_pixels

That is unnecessarily complicated.  I think the position value that
users see is thumb_start / trough_pixels.  That is much simpler
and it is visually evident.

    For the normal GTK+ case these two quantities are related to the
    document size.

     v = start_of_visible / MAX (size_of_visible, size_of_document) - size_of_visible

thumb_start / trough_pixels normally corresponds to
start_of_visible / MAX (size_of_visible, size_of_document)

If this relationship continues to apply when Emacs overscrolls,
you get the behavior I have asked for.


I think of the scroll bar as showing how the document is divided into
three parts: the part above the screen, the part on the screen, and
the part below the screen.  The sizes of the three parts of the scroll
bar are in proportion to those three parts of the document.

When Emacs overscrolls, the last part of the document has negative
size.  Properly speaking, the thumb should extend beyond the end of
the trough.  Alas, that is impossible.  The Emacs 20.7 behavior is the
closest possible approximation.

  reply	other threads:[~2003-03-30 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-03-25 14:51 Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Kai Großjohann
2003-03-25 18:54 ` Jan D.
2003-03-25 19:55   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-26 18:26     ` Jan D.
2003-03-26 19:07       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-27  3:29   ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-27 14:51     ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-27 15:48     ` Owen Taylor
2003-03-27 16:30       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-27 21:07         ` Owen Taylor
2003-03-27 21:41           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-27 21:42           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-27 21:41             ` Owen Taylor
2003-03-27 22:18               ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-27 22:46                 ` Jody Goldberg
2003-03-28  2:15               ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-28  4:28                 ` Owen Taylor
2003-03-28  6:07                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-29 18:38                     ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-28 13:35                   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-28 13:55                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-27 16:50       ` Andreas Schwab
2003-03-27 18:27         ` Jan D.
2003-03-27 20:54         ` Owen Taylor
2003-03-28  1:48           ` Miles Bader
2003-03-28  1:42       ` Miles Bader
2003-03-28  1:51         ` Miles Bader
2003-03-28 15:04           ` Kim F. Storm
     [not found]             ` <m21y0rruj4.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2003-03-28 23:57               ` Kim F. Storm
     [not found]                 ` <m2wuijqdu3.fsf@primate.xs4all.nl>
2003-03-29  1:26                   ` Kim F. Storm
2003-03-31  7:52             ` Miles Bader
2003-03-31 11:04               ` Kim F. Storm
2003-03-28 12:43         ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-03-28 13:34           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-28 15:11             ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-03-28 15:50               ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-28 13:38           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-28 16:18             ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-03-28 16:49               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-29 18:39             ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-29 18:43               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-03-28 15:20       ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-28 15:44         ` Owen Taylor
2003-03-28 18:25           ` Jan D.
2003-03-27 18:41     ` Jan D.
2003-03-28 15:21       ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-28 17:27         ` Owen Taylor
2003-03-30 19:24           ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2003-03-31 18:12             ` Owen Taylor
2003-03-31 22:06               ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-31 22:16                 ` Owen Taylor
2003-03-31 22:27                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-31 23:29                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-03-31 22:23               ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-04-01  0:28               ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-01 17:48                 ` Owen Taylor
2003-04-02  1:39                   ` Miles Bader
2003-04-02  2:30                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-01  9:38               ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-01 17:26                 ` Owen Taylor
2003-04-02  1:33                   ` Miles Bader
2003-04-02  3:30                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-02  3:55                       ` Miles Bader
2003-04-02  4:29                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-02  4:42                           ` Miles Bader
2003-04-02 11:07                           ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-02 13:52                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-02 13:11                               ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-02 14:42                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-02 14:03                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-03 10:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-07 15:35                                 ` Owen Taylor
2003-04-07 16:57                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-07 18:30                                     ` Owen Taylor
2003-04-07 18:38                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-07 18:57                                         ` Owen Taylor
2003-04-07 19:02                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-07 19:21                                             ` Owen Taylor
2003-04-07 19:30                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-08  2:30                                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-08 14:56                                     ` Owen Taylor
2003-04-08 23:36                                       ` Miles Bader
2003-04-09  1:58                                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-09 14:46                                         ` Owen Taylor
2003-04-10  6:22                                           ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-10  6:48                                             ` Miles Bader
2003-04-11  8:51                                               ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-10 17:37                                             ` Jan D.
2003-04-11  8:51                                               ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-11 12:26                                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-11 12:53                                                   ` Jan D.
2003-04-11 13:08                                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-11 14:02                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-11 14:28                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-11 15:33                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-12  3:02                                                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-12  8:56                                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-12 11:58                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2003-04-12 14:56                                                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-12 14:58                                                                   ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-13 11:22                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-15  1:24                                                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-15  1:31                                                                       ` Miles Bader
2003-04-15  1:42                                                                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-15  7:18                                                                       ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-15 13:01                                                                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-16  4:39                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-17  3:59                                                                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-17  4:09                                                                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-11 15:23                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2003-04-11 16:30                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-11 16:55                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-04-11 20:42                                                               ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-11 21:33                                                                 ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-04-12  0:05                                                                 ` Miles Bader
2003-04-12  0:47                                                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-12  2:11                                                                     ` Miles Bader
2003-04-11 19:09                                                           ` NEWS and invisible text Stefan Monnier
2003-04-14 23:09                                                             ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-04-21  0:59                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-11 16:36                                                         ` Gtk scrollbar: thumb too short Robert J. Chassell
2003-04-11 17:07                                                           ` Kai Großjohann
2003-04-11 17:46                                                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-11 21:13                                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-04-12 17:07                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-11 13:12                                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2003-04-11 16:13                                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-04-12 17:07                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-10 17:33                                     ` Jan D.
2003-04-02 12:56                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-04-02 14:07                           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-03  1:34                             ` Miles Bader
2003-04-03 15:35                               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-02  9:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-28 18:12         ` Jan D.
2003-03-28 22:25           ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-03-28 22:35           ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-03-29 17:06             ` Jan D.
2003-03-26 16:47 ` Richard Stallman
2003-03-26 18:32   ` Jan D.
2003-03-27 19:04     ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-01 19:29 ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found] <200303271914.h2RJEdbL026474@stubby.bodenonline.com>
     [not found] ` <3E834774.6080604@swipnet.se>
     [not found]   ` <200303271904.h2RJ48b0029268@rum.cs.yale.edu>
2003-03-27 23:23     ` Stefan Monnier

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