* What is the Emacs "nonportable dumper" catastrophe?
@ 2019-09-10 1:44 Jeffrey Walton
2019-09-10 2:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
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From: Jeffrey Walton @ 2019-09-10 1:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: emacs-devel
Hi Everyone,
Sorry for the off-topic chatter.
I don't quite follow this comment
(https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/12278/what-was-the-first-lisp-compiler#comment38427_12278)
and Google is not being helpful:
There's never been a LISP compiler. LISP "compilers"
just dump memory. See the Emacs "nonportable dumper"
catastrophe that was only fixed in the last couple years.
What is the catastrophe that was fixed?
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* Re: What is the Emacs "nonportable dumper" catastrophe?
2019-09-10 1:44 What is the Emacs "nonportable dumper" catastrophe? Jeffrey Walton
@ 2019-09-10 2:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-09-10 3:06 ` Noam Postavsky
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From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2019-09-10 2:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: noloader; +Cc: emacs-devel
> From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 21:44:12 -0400
>
> There's never been a LISP compiler. LISP "compilers"
> just dump memory. See the Emacs "nonportable dumper"
> catastrophe that was only fixed in the last couple years.
>
> What is the catastrophe that was fixed?
See the description of portable dumper in NEWS. The description of
the previous dumping as "catastrophe" is a wild exaggeration, IMNSHO.
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* Re: What is the Emacs "nonportable dumper" catastrophe?
2019-09-10 2:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2019-09-10 3:06 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-09-13 8:16 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Noam Postavsky @ 2019-09-10 3:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: noloader, Emacs developers
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 22:35, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > From: Jeffrey Walton <noloader@gmail.com>
> > Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2019 21:44:12 -0400
> >
> > There's never been a LISP compiler. LISP "compilers"
> > just dump memory. See the Emacs "nonportable dumper"
> > catastrophe that was only fixed in the last couple years.
> >
> > What is the catastrophe that was fixed?
>
> See the description of portable dumper in NEWS. The description of
> the previous dumping as "catastrophe" is a wild exaggeration, IMNSHO.
The author of the comment prefixed it with "<troll>", so I guess they
might actually agree with you.
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* Re: What is the Emacs "nonportable dumper" catastrophe?
2019-09-10 3:06 ` Noam Postavsky
@ 2019-09-13 8:16 ` Richard Stallman
2019-09-13 12:54 ` Noam Postavsky
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From: Richard Stallman @ 2019-09-13 8:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Noam Postavsky; +Cc: noloader, eliz, emacs-devel
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
> The author of the comment prefixed it with "<troll>", so I guess they
> might actually agree with you.
Are you talking about a group of people, or using a plural pronoun for
one person? That is always a confusing practice, so I wish people
would avoid it. See
https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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* Re: What is the Emacs "nonportable dumper" catastrophe?
2019-09-13 8:16 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2019-09-13 12:54 ` Noam Postavsky
2019-09-14 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Noam Postavsky @ 2019-09-13 12:54 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Richard Stallman; +Cc: noloader, Eli Zaretskii, Emacs developers
On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 04:16, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
> > The author of the comment prefixed it with "<troll>", so I guess they
> > might actually agree with you.
>
> using a plural pronoun for
> one person? That is always a confusing practice, so I wish people
> would avoid it. See
> https://stallman.org/articles/genderless-pronouns.html.
I know you prefer "per" for this, but I find that much more confusing
(because it's already a word which means something else, and (since
the reader may assume the non-capitalization is a typo) sometimes a
name (short for "Perry", or, per Wikipedia: "a Scandinavian masculine
given name")).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Per_(given_name)
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* Re: What is the Emacs "nonportable dumper" catastrophe?
2019-09-13 12:54 ` Noam Postavsky
@ 2019-09-14 5:33 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Richard Stallman @ 2019-09-14 5:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Noam Postavsky; +Cc: noloader, eliz, emacs-devel
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]
Just as others are campaigning for singular "them", I am campaigning
for "per". Many others have told me they find "them" leads to
confusing sentences, sentences which are confusing even though they
know what word it is.
I think you will get used to "per" when you see it more times.
--
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (https://gnu.org, https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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