More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Xue Fuqiao]

Currently, the available tags are:
patch|wontfix|moreinfo|unreproducible|fixed|notabug|easy|pending

The available severity levels are:
critical|grave|serious|important|normal|minor|wishlist

Would it be useful to add more tags or usertags to classify the bugs
further?  For example:

discussion|documentation|inprogress|gnulinux|ns|w32/w64|solaris|website|elpa

Sorry if it was proposed before.  Any comments?

Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Kaushal Modi]

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When I read the severity levels, I actually wondered if we have more than
needed severity tags... How would one distinguish among critical, grave and
serious severities?

The one lower important could be probably understood as an important bug to
be fixed but that which probably does not block a release.

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Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Xue Fuqiao]

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com> wrote:
> When I read the severity levels, I actually wondered if we have more than
> needed severity tags... How would one distinguish among critical, grave and
> serious severities?

See https://debbugs.gnu.org/Developer#severities .

> The one lower important could be probably understood as an important bug to
> be fixed but that which probably does not block a release.

FYI - we use the "blocking bug(s)" feature of Debbugs (instead of
severity levels) for release-critical bugs.

See http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/admin/release-process?id=9f2f14a0725211b13a744573344636b57b9c98b9#n42

Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Kaushal Modi]

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> See https://debbugs.gnu.org/Developer#severities .

Thanks!

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Kaushal Modi
On Jan 8, 2016 10:10 PM, "Xue Fuqiao" <xfq.free@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > When I read the severity levels, I actually wondered if we have more than
> > needed severity tags... How would one distinguish among critical, grave
> and
> > serious severities?
>
> See https://debbugs.gnu.org/Developer#severities .
>
> > The one lower important could be probably understood as an important bug
> to
> > be fixed but that which probably does not block a release.
>
> FYI - we use the "blocking bug(s)" feature of Debbugs (instead of
> severity levels) for release-critical bugs.
>
> See
> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/admin/release-process?id=9f2f14a0725211b13a744573344636b57b9c98b9#n42
>

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Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 10:53:26 +0800
> From: Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com>
> 
> Currently, the available tags are:
> patch|wontfix|moreinfo|unreproducible|fixed|notabug|easy|pending
> 
> The available severity levels are:
> critical|grave|serious|important|normal|minor|wishlist
> 
> Would it be useful to add more tags or usertags to classify the bugs
> further?  For example:
> 
> discussion|documentation|inprogress|gnulinux|ns|w32/w64|solaris|website|elpa

We already have "w32", you can say

  reassign 1234 emacs,w32

and have it listed for both of these "packages".  Other OS-specific
tags can be used in the same way.  However, this is rarely used.

As for others, please describe them in several words, so that they
could be discussed in a useful way.

Thanks.

Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:56:35 -0500
> From: Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com>
> Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> When I read the severity levels, I actually wondered if we have more than
> needed severity tags... How would one distinguish among critical, grave and
> serious severities? 

They are, and you can't.  But these are debbugs levels, and I think it
would be a waste of our resources to try fighting that.  Instead,
I suggest not to use those levels we think are superfluous.

Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Michael Albinus]

Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:

> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> When I read the severity levels, I actually wondered if we have more than
>> needed severity tags... How would one distinguish among critical, grave and
>> serious severities?
>
> See https://debbugs.gnu.org/Developer#severities .

We don't use critical and grave. At least not in the debbugs package
from ELPA.

Best regards, Michael.

Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Xue Fuqiao]

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 3:24 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:

Hi Eli,

>> Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 10:53:26 +0800
>> From: Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com>
>> Would it be useful to add more tags or usertags to classify the bugs
>> further?  For example:
>>
>> discussion|documentation|inprogress|gnulinux|ns|w32/w64|solaris|website|elpa
>
> We already have "w32", you can say
>
>   reassign 1234 emacs,w32
>
> and have it listed for both of these "packages".  Other OS-specific
> tags can be used in the same way.  However, this is rarely used.
>
> As for others, please describe them in several words, so that they
> could be discussed in a useful way.

The tags I listed were just some examples, not a formal proposal.  I
don't have a list of useful tags yet, and I'm not even sure if adding
more tags/usertags is worth the effort.  That is why I wanted to hear
what other developers say about this idea.

Anyway, I'll explain what the tags I listed above means:

discussion: For discussions.  Since this kind of issues have bug
numbers, they won't be easily forgotten (like some threads in
emacs-devel) and the discussion history is easy to navigate/search.
Examples are, "Should we move foo.el to lisp/obsolete/?", "Should
indentation in Emacs be made from spaces (instead of tabs) by default?"
(#20322).

documentation: For documentation issues, such as confusing docstrings,
bugs in the manuals/tutorials, undocumented features, etc.

inprogress: Used when some developer is looking into this issue right
now, perhaps.

gnulinux|ns|w32/w64|solaris|... : OS-specific tags

website: For bugs found on https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/ and
https://elpa.gnu.org/

elpa: For package.el and GNU ELPA issues, such as deployment, packaging,
adding new packages on GNU ELPA, cryptographic keys and signing, etc.

Thanks.

Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Xue Fuqiao]

On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de> wrote:
> Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Kaushal Modi <kaushal.modi@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> When I read the severity levels, I actually wondered if we have more than
>>> needed severity tags... How would one distinguish among critical, grave and
>>> serious severities?
>>
>> See https://debbugs.gnu.org/Developer#severities .
>
> We don't use critical and grave. At least not in the debbugs package
> from ELPA.

I found 8 "grave" Emacs bugs, but all of them were filed before April
2012:

https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/pkgreport.cgi?package=emacs;archive=both;severity=grave

And I found no "critical" bugs.  So you're right, we almost don't use
these severity levels.

Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[John Wiegley]

>>>>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> When I read the severity levels, I actually wondered if we have more than
>> needed severity tags... How would one distinguish among critical, grave and
>> serious severities?

> They are, and you can't. But these are debbugs levels, and I think it would
> be a waste of our resources to try fighting that. Instead, I suggest not to
> use those levels we think are superfluous.

Critical/grave/serious: The distinction does not win any bug more attention,
or cause it to be fixed any quicker, so "serious" is all we should need.

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Re: More tags/usertags on Debbugs?

[Michael Albinus]

John Wiegley <jwiegley@gmail.com> writes:

>>> When I read the severity levels, I actually wondered if we have more than
>>> needed severity tags... How would one distinguish among critical, grave and
>>> serious severities?
>
>> They are, and you can't. But these are debbugs levels, and I think it would
>> be a waste of our resources to try fighting that. Instead, I suggest not to
>> use those levels we think are superfluous.
>
> Critical/grave/serious: The distinction does not win any bug more attention,
> or cause it to be fixed any quicker, so "serious" is all we should need.

So does debbugs-gnu.el. Only "serious" is offered from these three.

Best regards, Michael.