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From: Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com>
To: "Jan Djärv" <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
Cc: Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk>,
	Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web'
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:18:40 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAF+z6GcTW6_aW1UM1BdiNy+iG2aUKd85nJNnd9w0i2oFhL9Qw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F1C3CE86-5D07-41DA-9AB7-483887AE3F32@swipnet.se>

On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Jan Djärv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrote:
> Hello.

Hi Jan,

> 30 jun 2013 kl. 01:30 skrev Xue Fuqiao <xfq.free@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
>>> Making things easy for users must take priority.
>>
>> Well, we can do many things that can make (most) users easy.  For
>> example:
>>
>> * Turn on cua-mode by default
>
> This user would hate that.
>
>> * Add a "redo" command
>
> Might be nice.
>
>> * Change the terminology of “kill” to “cut”, and “yank” to “paste”
>
> But kill is strictly not the same as cut, and yank is not the same as paste.

Or, as Bob suggested, change "kill" to "clip".  See (info "(eintr)
Cutting & Storing Text").  BTW what's  the difference of kill and cut
(and yank/paste)?

>> * Switch the terminology of “window” and “frame”
>
> Should reduce some confusion.
>
>> * Change the terminology of “car” to “first”, and “cdr” to “rest”
>
> Not sure many users care.  Most users don't program lisp.

I agree.  I just picked some random examples in my mind, and haven't
done any research.

>> But we can't, since many of them will break existing users'
>> configuration.  Although eww doesn't have this problem, I think we
>> should think twice before "making things easy for users".
>
> Also, what is easy for one user is a pain for another.  Not all you
> suggestions are even obviously easier for a user.

So I said "most" (just in my opinion) users.  Maybe we should do some
social researches (polls) or systematic analysis, like this
survey[fn:1].  If we can't, picking something in etc/TODO and implement
it is better than span this thread into hundreds of messages and
debates.  (And in the end, typically nothing is done or changed.)

Footnotes:

[fn:1] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/org-customization-survey.html

--
Best regards, Xue Fuqiao.
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/



  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-30  9:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <<E1Usw6G-0001Et-0A@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-29 15:05 ` Rename `eww' to `web' Drew Adams
2013-06-29 15:15   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-29 20:30     ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 20:45       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-29 21:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-29 21:42         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-29 21:48           ` Bastien
2013-06-29 23:01             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  6:36               ` Bastien
2013-06-30 10:30                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-30  2:49             ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  2:49         ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  3:01           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-30 13:40             ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30 15:26               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-30 17:53                 ` chad
2013-06-30 18:21                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-30 19:04                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-30  5:54         ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-29 23:30       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  7:56         ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-30  9:18           ` Xue Fuqiao [this message]
2013-06-30 10:04             ` Jan Djärv
2013-07-01  2:03     ` Miles Bader
2013-06-29 20:30   ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 20:52     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-30  2:49       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <<E1Ut1mo-0004ns-A6@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-29 20:40     ` Drew Adams
2013-06-30  2:49       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <<E1Ut7hQ-0000Eq-Tt@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-30  3:23         ` Drew Adams
2013-06-30 13:40           ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 14:26 Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 15:33 ` Daimrod
2013-06-29 20:30   ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  1:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-30  2:35       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-29 23:20   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  5:49 ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-30 13:40   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-01 12:57     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03  8:29       ` Miles Bader
2013-07-03 16:09         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03 16:22           ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-03 19:57             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03 22:50               ` Tim Cross
2013-07-04  0:24                 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-04  1:43                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04  1:58                     ` chad
2013-07-04  5:11                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-04 15:09                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04 23:36                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  3:16                     ` Drew Adams
2013-07-04 23:36                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-05  2:19                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 18:49                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04 19:15                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-04 21:08                     ` Mathias Dahl
2013-07-04 21:58                       ` Drew Adams
2013-07-05  2:50                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 22:41                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-04 23:45                       ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05 23:41                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-05 23:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-06  3:26                             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-04 23:40                     ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-05  1:14                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 10:23                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 11:50                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 12:59                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 22:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 23:37                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-06  0:44                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 23:29                             ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05 23:43                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 23:55                                 ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-06  0:11                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-06  0:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06 22:00                                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-05  0:04                     ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05  5:37                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-05 17:19                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-07  0:24                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-07  0:55                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-04 22:53                   ` Josh
2013-07-05 17:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  0:06           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  1:51             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04  7:30               ` Andreas Schwab
2013-07-04  2:09             ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04  2:17               ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-04  3:44                 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04  4:10                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04  4:48                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-05  3:23                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04  9:55                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-04 15:04                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-05 11:02                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 18:03                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-06  0:14                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06  4:28                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-06  5:28                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-06  9:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-04 14:28                     ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04 15:08                       ` Stephen Berman
2013-07-04 22:35                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-06 20:02                           ` Stephen Berman
2013-07-05  3:04                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 23:36                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04 15:08                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-06 15:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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