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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: Rename `eww' to `web'
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:16:51 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8bb90b87-dadb-4bc9-86c8-c104af1f9a39@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fvvv2j6u.fsf@lifelogs.com>

> >> make it easier for the user by calling it someting obvious rather
> >> than the more cryptic.  Using 'eww' may be considered 'cute', but
> >> it certainly isn't 'natural'.
> >> ...
> >> Using names which are as 'natural' and reflect purpose as much
> >> as possible will help and certainly won't make things worse.
> 
> DA> +1.  There is really little excuse for such names as Emacs commands.
> DA> A command name should preferably be something that `apropos' can
> DA> help with.  In general it should have components that are
> DA> recognizable keywords.
> 
> I think the package author should decide this.  The "natural" name you
> suggest is bland and generic.  Do you really want to use a text editor
> named "text-editor" and a web browser named "web-browser"?

No one suggested that.  What "natural" name did you think I suggested?

> eww is just as good as Chrome or Firefox/Netscape/Mozilla or Lynx or...

Richard responded adequately to that claim.  Of course, with enough
recognition any name becomes recognizable! ;-)  "EMACS", for instance.

> Or, in Emacs land, let's take helm, or gnus, or eieio, or...

Have you been following?  Those are package names, not command names.

 EIEIO: a package
 `eieio-browse': a command

 Icicles: a package
 `icicle-complete-keys': a command

Again, `apropos' can help a user find a well named command, one
whose name suggests something about what it does.

But by all means, the package name can well be something that stands
out, in particular for a web search.  That can help, once there is
some general recognition.

On the other hand, "Emacs" already stands out in a search for web
browsers.  If you were looking for an Emacs web browser today (and
there are some), I'd be willing to bet that you would search for
"emacs web browser" or some such.  Why so prosaic and unimaginative?
Because that's what works.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-04  3:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-29 14:26 Rename `eww' to `web' Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 15:33 ` Daimrod
2013-06-29 20:30   ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  1:45     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-30  2:35       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-29 23:20   ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  5:49 ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-30 13:40   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-01 12:57     ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03  8:29       ` Miles Bader
2013-07-03 16:09         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03 16:22           ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-03 19:57             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-03 22:50               ` Tim Cross
2013-07-04  0:24                 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-04  1:43                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04  1:58                     ` chad
2013-07-04  5:11                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-04 15:09                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04 23:36                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  3:16                     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2013-07-04 23:36                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-05  2:19                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 18:49                 ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04 19:15                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-04 21:08                     ` Mathias Dahl
2013-07-04 21:58                       ` Drew Adams
2013-07-05  2:50                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 22:41                     ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-04 23:45                       ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05 23:41                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-05 23:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-06  3:26                             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-04 23:40                     ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-05  1:14                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 10:23                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 11:50                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 12:59                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 22:38                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 23:37                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-06  0:44                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 23:29                             ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05 23:43                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 23:55                                 ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-06  0:11                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-06  0:42                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06 22:00                                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-05  0:04                     ` Juri Linkov
2013-07-05  5:37                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-05 17:19                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-07  0:24                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-07  0:55                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-04 22:53                   ` Josh
2013-07-05 17:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  0:06           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04  1:51             ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-04  7:30               ` Andreas Schwab
2013-07-04  2:09             ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04  2:17               ` Glenn Morris
2013-07-04  3:44                 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04  4:10                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04  4:48                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-07-05  3:23                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04  9:55                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-04 15:04                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-05 11:02                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-05 18:03                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-06  0:14                             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-06  4:28                               ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-06  5:28                                 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-06  9:31                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-04 14:28                     ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2013-07-04 15:08                       ` Stephen Berman
2013-07-04 22:35                         ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-07-06 20:02                           ` Stephen Berman
2013-07-05  3:04                       ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-04 23:36                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-04 15:08                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2013-07-06 15:15 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found] <<E1Usw6G-0001Et-0A@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-29 15:05 ` Drew Adams
2013-06-29 15:15   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-29 20:30     ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 20:45       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-06-29 21:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-29 21:42         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-29 21:48           ` Bastien
2013-06-29 23:01             ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  6:36               ` Bastien
2013-06-30 10:30                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-30  2:49             ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  2:49         ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30  3:01           ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-30 13:40             ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-30 15:26               ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-06-30 17:53                 ` chad
2013-06-30 18:21                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-30 19:04                   ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-30  5:54         ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-29 23:30       ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30  7:56         ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-30  9:18           ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-30 10:04             ` Jan Djärv
2013-07-01  2:03     ` Miles Bader
2013-06-29 20:30   ` Richard Stallman
2013-06-29 20:52     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-06-30  2:49       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]   ` <<E1Ut1mo-0004ns-A6@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-29 20:40     ` Drew Adams
2013-06-30  2:49       ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]       ` <<E1Ut7hQ-0000Eq-Tt@fencepost.gnu.org>
2013-06-30  3:23         ` Drew Adams
2013-06-30 13:40           ` Richard Stallman

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