From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Xue Fuqiao Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rename `eww' to `web' Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 17:18:40 +0800 Message-ID: References: <86wqpdq768.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372583923 28036 80.91.229.3 (30 Jun 2013 09:18:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 09:18:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nic Ferrier , Richard Stallman , drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 30 11:18:48 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UtDmS-0000Zn-KK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 11:18:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38759 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UtDmR-00015E-UZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 05:18:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48208) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UtDmN-000118-JI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 05:18:44 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UtDmM-0004wW-Lp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 05:18:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]:59269) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UtDmL-0004wG-2t; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 05:18:41 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id y10so2880044wgg.8 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:18:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=HbQllWvmi2pgnPwMU1s3Ai0by0WpGqx/BF2JFRhFl90=; b=LveKXaXZz0fgScdgRbRSEZt46VNgNccXVNiA6RBW+r8wWC8IgbvpUaqc9YuJ+oPEu9 D4KU/7AXqk/hvPVV6E9jZnj260Ar82WdTf25+NpqPKAVjEfd8h4AgJ5T1VdoYMf/r5I1 YfC1TCbgbq2JXPE39Bd5Q66+Nro0xyrlZcOSJgARECCxbXKV0puYhrOYFO2lQE4rvU4n fcxFLFEKyz15sgzcirfgWiQaUfCiGXyw9epIMBr+ff+TS/Towg7i/JfpY9BAT0csBDfh B2fjd18NXDmxwstJ4oOcOe27+it4mUZcUI7mhCA03Y/8EaH99DMuFw+3ZIHBx7s7/RYE 5aqg== X-Received: by 10.194.20.193 with SMTP id p1mr15303397wje.65.1372583920246; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.59.148 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jun 2013 02:18:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161331 Archived-At: On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv wrote: > Hello. Hi Jan, > 30 jun 2013 kl. 01:30 skrev Xue Fuqiao : > >> On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: >>> Making things easy for users must take priority. >> >> Well, we can do many things that can make (most) users easy. For >> example: >> >> * Turn on cua-mode by default > > This user would hate that. > >> * Add a "redo" command > > Might be nice. > >> * Change the terminology of =E2=80=9Ckill=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Ccut=E2=80= =9D, and =E2=80=9Cyank=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cpaste=E2=80=9D > > But kill is strictly not the same as cut, and yank is not the same as pas= te. Or, as Bob suggested, change "kill" to "clip". See (info "(eintr) Cutting & Storing Text"). BTW what's the difference of kill and cut (and yank/paste)? >> * Switch the terminology of =E2=80=9Cwindow=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cframe= =E2=80=9D > > Should reduce some confusion. > >> * Change the terminology of =E2=80=9Ccar=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Cfirst=E2= =80=9D, and =E2=80=9Ccdr=E2=80=9D to =E2=80=9Crest=E2=80=9D > > Not sure many users care. Most users don't program lisp. I agree. I just picked some random examples in my mind, and haven't done any research. >> But we can't, since many of them will break existing users' >> configuration. Although eww doesn't have this problem, I think we >> should think twice before "making things easy for users". > > Also, what is easy for one user is a pain for another. Not all you > suggestions are even obviously easier for a user. So I said "most" (just in my opinion) users. Maybe we should do some social researches (polls) or systematic analysis, like this survey[fn:1]. If we can't, picking something in etc/TODO and implement it is better than span this thread into hundreds of messages and debates. (And in the end, typically nothing is done or changed.) Footnotes: [fn:1] http://orgmode.org/worg/org-configs/org-customization-survey.html -- Best regards, Xue Fuqiao. http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/