From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Rename `eww' to `web' Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 20:16:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bb90b87-dadb-4bc9-86c8-c104af1f9a39@default> References: <8738s087wj.fsf@gmail.com> <87bo6mjv4s.fsf@lifelogs.com> <871u7gavwx.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87obaj39sc.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4btxkb7gw7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k3l72z81.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87fvvv2j6u.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1372907821 17213 80.91.229.3 (4 Jul 2013 03:17:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 03:17:01 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 04 05:17:01 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uua2W-0006R7-Sd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Jul 2013 05:17:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43563 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uua2V-00019H-Tf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 23:16:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47742) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uua2T-00018K-4J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 23:16:58 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uua2S-0005DQ-3T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 23:16:57 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:23758) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uua2R-0005DL-SQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 03 Jul 2013 23:16:56 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id r643AXA4030548 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 03:10:34 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7022.oracle.com (aserz7022.oracle.com [141.146.126.231]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r643Grak021058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 03:16:53 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt104.oracle.com (abhmt104.oracle.com [141.146.116.56]) by aserz7022.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r643Grs7025889 for ; Thu, 4 Jul 2013 03:16:53 GMT In-Reply-To: <87fvvv2j6u.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.7 (607090) [OL 12.0.6668.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161506 Archived-At: > >> make it easier for the user by calling it someting obvious rather > >> than the more cryptic. Using 'eww' may be considered 'cute', but > >> it certainly isn't 'natural'. > >> ... > >> Using names which are as 'natural' and reflect purpose as much > >> as possible will help and certainly won't make things worse. >=20 > DA> +1. There is really little excuse for such names as Emacs commands. > DA> A command name should preferably be something that `apropos' can > DA> help with. In general it should have components that are > DA> recognizable keywords. >=20 > I think the package author should decide this. The "natural" name you > suggest is bland and generic. Do you really want to use a text editor > named "text-editor" and a web browser named "web-browser"? No one suggested that. What "natural" name did you think I suggested? > eww is just as good as Chrome or Firefox/Netscape/Mozilla or Lynx or... Richard responded adequately to that claim. Of course, with enough recognition any name becomes recognizable! ;-) "EMACS", for instance. > Or, in Emacs land, let's take helm, or gnus, or eieio, or... Have you been following? Those are package names, not command names. EIEIO: a package `eieio-browse': a command Icicles: a package `icicle-complete-keys': a command Again, `apropos' can help a user find a well named command, one whose name suggests something about what it does. But by all means, the package name can well be something that stands out, in particular for a web search. That can help, once there is some general recognition. On the other hand, "Emacs" already stands out in a search for web browsers. If you were looking for an Emacs web browser today (and there are some), I'd be willing to bet that you would search for "emacs web browser" or some such. Why so prosaic and unimaginative? Because that's what works.