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From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master f51f963: Fix some side-effecting uses of make-text-button
Date: Fri, 05 Jun 2020 16:48:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y2p1ecp6.fsf@tcd.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871rmt1t4g.fsf@gmail.com> (Pip Cet's message of "Fri, 05 Jun 2020 14:31:43 +0000")

Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com> writes:

> "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie> writes:
>
>> Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> It would not be a quick bug fix for code that uses (propertize "string"
>>> 'a 'b).
>>
>> propertize returns a copy of its argument, so it's not problematic in
>> this context.
>
> Thanks for pointing that out. I hope it was still clear what I meant.

It rarely isn't. :)

>> My only concern with destructively modifying string literals as in the
>> (make-text-button "here" ...) example is that it can "pollute" that
>> string literal for all of its users, which is both "rude" and
>> unnecessary in this case.  I simply find it cleaner, less intrusive, and
>> less surprising to modify only one's own copy of a string in such a
>> trivial case.  I'm not personally concerned with crashes, theoretical
>> purity or mutability, or anything like that; for that I defer to you,
>> Paul, and other experts.
>
> I'd like to apologise. I made several mistakes in that email (including
> using the word "off-handedly" when a less offensive term would have
> done). Most importantly, I think, I was commenting on a change that, as
> you correctly point out, made the code cleaner and less surprising, as
> though it were a whole-hearted endorsement of breaking any existing code
> that is more surprising or less clean. I see now that you said no such
> thing.

No need to apologise.  I figured what you meant, don't take offence,
sympathise with your position, and am interested to follow this
discussion.  I just wanted to establish that this particular commit
should™ be pretty uncontroversial, which I hope I succeeded in doing. ;)

-- 
Basil



  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-05 15:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200604223056.17078.81265@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20200604223058.1850020A26@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2020-06-04 22:44   ` master f51f963: Fix some side-effecting uses of make-text-button Stefan Monnier
2020-06-05  0:58     ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-05  9:27       ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05 10:51     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-05 12:46       ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05 13:51         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-05 14:31           ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05 15:48             ` Basil L. Contovounesios [this message]
2020-06-05 18:17         ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-06  8:18           ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 16:57             ` Drew Adams
2020-06-06 17:57               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 19:00                 ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 19:49                   ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-06 20:23                     ` Drew Adams
2020-06-07  9:14                     ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 22:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-07  1:40                     ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-07 15:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-07 23:42                         ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-07  9:31                     ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 20:19                 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-06 17:54             ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-06 19:41               ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 20:15                 ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-07  9:21                   ` Pip Cet
2020-06-07 23:37                     ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-06 20:11               ` Drew Adams
2020-06-06 22:16                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 23:27                   ` Drew Adams
2020-06-05 13:02       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-05 13:50         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-06 19:09         ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-06 20:19           ` Drew Adams

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