unofficial mirror of emacs-devel@gnu.org 
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
Cc: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master f51f963: Fix some side-effecting uses of make-text-button
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 11:17:47 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5c66eeb5-a513-0443-4316-e41aae118677@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87img51y04.fsf@gmail.com>

On 6/5/20 5:46 AM, Pip Cet wrote:
> I get the impression we
> shouldn't discount the possibility that the current way of doing things
> (after pure space) isn't so bad at all: all strings, vectors, and cons
> cells are mutable to the same extent.

That's not the current way of doing things, and although the area is murky there
have always been Emacs Lisp objects that are not mutable. For example:

(aset (symbol-name 'cons) 0 ?d)

This signals "Attempt to modify read-only object" error in Emacs 25, and makes
Emacs dump core in Emacs 27. And there are other cases like that.

Obviously we need to do better in the dumping-core area. When we do that, we
have an opportunity to simplify and/or document behavior in this area.

If we decide to simplify/document by saying "all strings are modifiable" then
we'll need significant work at both the C and Lisp level to do that. This will
hurt performance a bit since it will disable some optimizations.

If we decide to simplify/document by saying "an error is thrown if you try to
modify a string literal" then we'll need to add some code to do that. I have a
draft of something along those lines. It doesn't hurt performance significantly
in my standard benchmark of 'make compile-always'. Although it invalidates some
existing code, such code is quite rare and is already relying on undefined behavior.

If we decide to leave things alone, they will remain complicated and murky.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-06-05 18:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200604223056.17078.81265@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20200604223058.1850020A26@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2020-06-04 22:44   ` master f51f963: Fix some side-effecting uses of make-text-button Stefan Monnier
2020-06-05  0:58     ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-05  9:27       ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05 10:51     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-05 12:46       ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05 13:51         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-05 14:31           ` Pip Cet
2020-06-05 15:48             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-05 18:17         ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2020-06-06  8:18           ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 16:57             ` Drew Adams
2020-06-06 17:57               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 19:00                 ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 19:49                   ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-06 20:23                     ` Drew Adams
2020-06-07  9:14                     ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 22:14                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-07  1:40                     ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-07 15:24                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-07 23:42                         ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-07  9:31                     ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 20:19                 ` Drew Adams
2020-06-06 17:54             ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-06 19:41               ` Pip Cet
2020-06-06 20:15                 ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-07  9:21                   ` Pip Cet
2020-06-07 23:37                     ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-06 20:11               ` Drew Adams
2020-06-06 22:16                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-06 23:27                   ` Drew Adams
2020-06-05 13:02       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-05 13:50         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-06 19:09         ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-06 20:19           ` Drew Adams

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=5c66eeb5-a513-0443-4316-e41aae118677@cs.ucla.edu \
    --to=eggert@cs.ucla.edu \
    --cc=contovob@tcd.ie \
    --cc=emacs-devel@gnu.org \
    --cc=monnier@iro.umontreal.ca \
    --cc=pipcet@gmail.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).