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From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GTK file selector
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:49:00 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87psnxyzpc.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17314.42778.220813.47226@parhasard.net> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:38:02 +0100")

> Do you not understand what the GTK2 people did? They didn’t remove features,
> it’s just as possible to use the new dialog box in the same way as the old.

The filename entry field (with available TAB completion like in Emacs) was
a very useful feature.  Neither C-l nor a small text box that appears
after starting typing is an acceptable replacement.

> And yes, making GNU Emacs behave more like a Win32 app, like Notepad, _will_
> make naïve users happy. Look at the success of CUA-mode.

CUA-mode doesn't disable useful Emacs features.

> Hang round with Win32 users looking for an advanced editor, and they’ll
> go for Notepad++ long before GNU Emacs, because all their habits from
> Notepad work in Notepad++, and not in emacs.

Notepad++ is not easier to use for naive users than Emacs.

> Emacs is more featureful, but not enough to overcome the pain of finding
> out what CUA-mode is

The top-level menu item in the Options menu that enables CUA-mode
and its tooltip are self-descriptive enough.

> and doing all the other donkey-work to have the editor behave like what
> they’re used to.

Experts can do this easily anyway.

> They abandon it because of stagnant development, the design and
> implementation clusterfuck that is Mule from the perspective of European
> language users (search for ö not working again!)

Not in the unicode-2 branch.

> and minimal consideration for GUI users in this age of 17"
> screens. Among other reasons.
>
> Eclipse, VIM or Notepad++ seem to be what most of the power users I know who
> chose an advanced editor recently are using.

I don't think VIM belongs to the category of Notepad-like editors.

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-16 12:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-14  9:27 GTK file selector Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 14:06 ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-14 14:38   ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 19:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-14 20:33       ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 20:00     ` Jan Djärv
2005-12-16 20:10       ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-16 20:16         ` Jan Djärv
2005-12-16 20:28           ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-16 22:00         ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-14 15:25 ` Mario Domenech Goulart
2005-12-14 20:30   ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 15:28 ` Frank Schmitt
2005-12-15  9:00   ` Stephen Berman
2005-12-16  1:52     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-15 12:59   ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-15 15:52     ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-16  7:56       ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-16 11:38         ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-16 12:49           ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2005-12-16 15:40             ` Romain Francoise
2005-12-17 10:44               ` Kaloian Doganov
2005-12-17 15:16                 ` Romain Francoise
2005-12-16 16:27             ` Kim F. Storm
2005-12-16 20:54             ` Chong Yidong
2005-12-16 20:08           ` Nick Roberts
2005-12-16 22:23             ` David Kastrup
2005-12-16 23:23               ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-16 23:38                 ` David Kastrup
2005-12-17 13:05                   ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-17 15:22                     ` David Kastrup
2005-12-17 22:21                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18  0:38                         ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 11:07                           ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18 12:56                       ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-18 13:40                         ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 17:37                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2005-12-18 17:57                             ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 20:37                         ` Xavier Maillard
2005-12-18 22:36                           ` Miles Bader
2005-12-18 23:33                             ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-19 14:07                             ` Xavier Maillard
2005-12-19  1:41                           ` Tom Tromey
2005-12-19  2:26                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-12-19  5:33                               ` Tom Tromey
2005-12-18 22:33                         ` Miles Bader
2005-12-17 15:27                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-17 22:02               ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18 20:59                 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-22 15:26                 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-12-17 16:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2005-12-18  5:24               ` Nick Roberts
2005-12-18 10:25                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18 12:23                   ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 12:47                     ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18 12:57                       ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 12:14                 ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 14:47                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2005-12-18 15:07                   ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 19:26                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-19  4:38                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-17 16:52           ` Nikita Danilov
2005-12-16 20:13     ` Jan Djärv
2005-12-17 10:57       ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-18 17:02         ` Jan D.
2005-12-19  4:40           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-19 23:18             ` Jan D.
2005-12-20  0:36               ` Jan D.
2005-12-20 16:33                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-20 19:21                   ` Jan D.
2005-12-21  5:30                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-22  9:27                       ` Jan D.
2005-12-22 22:20                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-23  0:09                           ` David Kastrup
2005-12-23 11:38                           ` Jan D.
2005-12-23 18:09                             ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-24 20:29                               ` Jan D.
2005-12-25 19:06                                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-27 10:47                                   ` Jan D.
2005-12-27 13:31                                     ` Jan D.
2005-12-27 16:42                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-28 10:50                                         ` Jan D.
2005-12-20  5:32               ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-20  6:35                 ` Jan D.
2005-12-21  2:58                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-19 23:45             ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-17 13:06       ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 16:18 ` Reiner Steib
2005-12-14 21:23   ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 16:20 ` Emfox Zhou
2005-12-15  2:08 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-16 20:05   ` Jérôme Marant
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-12-16 18:53 Pierre-Charles David
2005-12-17 10:57 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-18 17:02   ` Jan D.

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