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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net>, Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GTK file selector
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:23:28 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85irtoadgf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17315.7877.155144.973236@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:08:37 +1300")

Nick Roberts <nickrob@snap.net.nz> writes:

>  >  > Why do they abandon it?  And what do they prefer instead?
>  > 
>  > They abandon it because of stagnant development, the design and
>  > implementation clusterfuck that is Mule from the perspective of
>  > European language users (search for ö not working again!) and
>  > minimal consideration for GUI users in this age of 17"
>  > screens. Among other reasons.
>
> Over the last three years that I've been contributing to Emacs,
> development has been pretty active.

Which would rather explain why people are abandoning it: those three
years of development have never been released.

> Without doing market research, any notion that people are abandoning
> Emacs can only be anecdotal.

Debian by now has "emacs-snapshot" as a package.  People _are_
abandoning released versions of Emacs, also because of problems in the
utf-8 department.  CVS trunk is much better than anything that has
been released, but few system administrators will, even when tempted
to use it themselves, unleash an unreleased Emacs unto their users.

> Perhaps you're bitter that XEmacs does seemed to have slowed down,
> but please remember this list is for contributing to Emacs
> development, not to knock it down.

XEmacs at least sports more or less regular releases from their
increasingly stagnant development code base.

"Waiting for Emacs" would make for a scintillating piece of absurd
theater, with the particularly rememberable line "Code, pig!".  I have
not yet figured out where XEmacs would come into play, though.


ESTRAGON:
    Charming spot. (He turns, advances to front, halts facing
    auditorium .) Inspiring prospects. (He turns to Vladimir.) Let's
    release.

 
VLADIMIR:
    We can't.

 
ESTRAGON:
    Why not?

VLADIMIR:
    We're waiting for Bugfixes.

 
ESTRAGON:
    (despairingly). Ah! (Pause.) You're sure it was here?

 
VLADIMIR:
    What?

 
ESTRAGON:
    That we were to wait.

 
VLADIMIR:
    He said from the trunk. (They look at the CVS tree.) Do you see any others?

 
ESTRAGON:
    What is it?

 
VLADIMIR:
    I don't know.  A branch.

 
ESTRAGON:
    Where are the commits?

 
VLADIMIR:
    It must be dead.

 
ESTRAGON:
    No more weeping.

 
VLADIMIR:
    Or perhaps it's not the season.


-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-16 22:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-14  9:27 GTK file selector Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 14:06 ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-14 14:38   ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 19:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-14 20:33       ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 20:00     ` Jan Djärv
2005-12-16 20:10       ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-16 20:16         ` Jan Djärv
2005-12-16 20:28           ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-16 22:00         ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-12-14 15:25 ` Mario Domenech Goulart
2005-12-14 20:30   ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 15:28 ` Frank Schmitt
2005-12-15  9:00   ` Stephen Berman
2005-12-16  1:52     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-15 12:59   ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-15 15:52     ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-16  7:56       ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-16 11:38         ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-16 12:49           ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-16 15:40             ` Romain Francoise
2005-12-17 10:44               ` Kaloian Doganov
2005-12-17 15:16                 ` Romain Francoise
2005-12-16 16:27             ` Kim F. Storm
2005-12-16 20:54             ` Chong Yidong
2005-12-16 20:08           ` Nick Roberts
2005-12-16 22:23             ` David Kastrup [this message]
2005-12-16 23:23               ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-16 23:38                 ` David Kastrup
2005-12-17 13:05                   ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-17 15:22                     ` David Kastrup
2005-12-17 22:21                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18  0:38                         ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 11:07                           ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18 12:56                       ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-18 13:40                         ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 17:37                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2005-12-18 17:57                             ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 20:37                         ` Xavier Maillard
2005-12-18 22:36                           ` Miles Bader
2005-12-18 23:33                             ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-19 14:07                             ` Xavier Maillard
2005-12-19  1:41                           ` Tom Tromey
2005-12-19  2:26                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2005-12-19  5:33                               ` Tom Tromey
2005-12-18 22:33                         ` Miles Bader
2005-12-17 15:27                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-17 22:02               ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18 20:59                 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-22 15:26                 ` Lőrentey Károly
2005-12-17 16:22             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2005-12-18  5:24               ` Nick Roberts
2005-12-18 10:25                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18 12:23                   ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 12:47                     ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-12-18 12:57                       ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 12:14                 ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 14:47                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2005-12-18 15:07                   ` David Kastrup
2005-12-18 19:26                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-12-19  4:38                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-17 16:52           ` Nikita Danilov
2005-12-16 20:13     ` Jan Djärv
2005-12-17 10:57       ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-18 17:02         ` Jan D.
2005-12-19  4:40           ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-19 23:18             ` Jan D.
2005-12-20  0:36               ` Jan D.
2005-12-20 16:33                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-20 19:21                   ` Jan D.
2005-12-21  5:30                     ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-22  9:27                       ` Jan D.
2005-12-22 22:20                         ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-23  0:09                           ` David Kastrup
2005-12-23 11:38                           ` Jan D.
2005-12-23 18:09                             ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-24 20:29                               ` Jan D.
2005-12-25 19:06                                 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-27 10:47                                   ` Jan D.
2005-12-27 13:31                                     ` Jan D.
2005-12-27 16:42                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-28 10:50                                         ` Jan D.
2005-12-20  5:32               ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-20  6:35                 ` Jan D.
2005-12-21  2:58                   ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-19 23:45             ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-17 13:06       ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 16:18 ` Reiner Steib
2005-12-14 21:23   ` Jérôme Marant
2005-12-14 16:20 ` Emfox Zhou
2005-12-15  2:08 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-16 20:05   ` Jérôme Marant
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-12-16 18:53 Pierre-Charles David
2005-12-17 10:57 ` Juri Linkov
2005-12-18 17:02   ` Jan D.

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