From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK file selector Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:49:00 +0200 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <87psnxyzpc.fsf@jurta.org> References: <1134552456.439fe58850f31@imp5-g19.free.fr> <878xuma53q.fsf@jurta.org> <17313.37186.344268.487103@parhasard.net> <87d5jxsgib.fsf@jurta.org> <17314.42778.220813.47226@parhasard.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134746544 31597 80.91.229.2 (16 Dec 2005 15:22:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 16 16:22:23 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnHNH-0008TL-M5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:20:00 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnHNy-0007xt-CX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:20:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnFBM-0005AV-9D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:59:32 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnFBK-00059W-7J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:59:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnFBJ-000592-24 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 07:59:29 -0500 Original-Received: from [194.126.101.111] (helo=mail.neti.ee) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnFDj-0004N9-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:01:59 -0500 Original-Received: from mail.neti.ee (80-235-33-94-dsl.mus.estpak.ee [80.235.33.94]) by Relayhost1.neti.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D11211E; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:59:01 +0200 (EET) Original-To: Aidan Kehoe In-Reply-To: <17314.42778.220813.47226@parhasard.net> (Aidan Kehoe's message of "Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:38:02 +0100") User-Agent: Gnus/5.110004 (No Gnus v0.4) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.2.1 (20041222) (Debian) at neti.ee X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47858 Archived-At: > Do you not understand what the GTK2 people did? They didn=E2=80=99t remov= e features, > it=E2=80=99s just as possible to use the new dialog box in the same way a= s the old. The filename entry field (with available TAB completion like in Emacs) was a very useful feature. Neither C-l nor a small text box that appears after starting typing is an acceptable replacement. > And yes, making GNU Emacs behave more like a Win32 app, like Notepad, _wi= ll_ > make na=C3=AFve users happy. Look at the success of CUA-mode. CUA-mode doesn't disable useful Emacs features. > Hang round with Win32 users looking for an advanced editor, and they=E2= =80=99ll > go for Notepad++ long before GNU Emacs, because all their habits from > Notepad work in Notepad++, and not in emacs. Notepad++ is not easier to use for naive users than Emacs. > Emacs is more featureful, but not enough to overcome the pain of finding > out what CUA-mode is The top-level menu item in the Options menu that enables CUA-mode and its tooltip are self-descriptive enough. > and doing all the other donkey-work to have the editor behave like what > they=E2=80=99re used to. Experts can do this easily anyway. > They abandon it because of stagnant development, the design and > implementation clusterfuck that is Mule from the perspective of European > language users (search for =C3=B6 not working again!) Not in the unicode-2 branch. > and minimal consideration for GUI users in this age of 17" > screens. Among other reasons. > > Eclipse, VIM or Notepad++ seem to be what most of the power users I know = who > chose an advanced editor recently are using. I don't think VIM belongs to the category of Notepad-like editors. --=20 Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/