From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
"philipk@posteo.net" <philipk@posteo.net>,
"danflscr@gmail.com" <danflscr@gmail.com>,
"rms@gnu.org" <rms@gnu.org>,
"emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
"monnier@iro.umontreal.ca" <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
"john@yates-sheets.org" <john@yates-sheets.org>
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: indent-tabs-mode default [was: Representation of the Emacs userbase on emacs-devel]
Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2021 08:37:18 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87a6krg8n5.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR10MB54883D2393889922E8B4FAECF3D09@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 4 Sep 2021 14:44:59 +0000")
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> In my post that started this thread about
> `indent-tabs-mode' default value, I said this:
>
> It's easy enough for some local use (e.g.
> following the standards of some organization)
> to customize the option to ON. But that
> should no longer be the default, IMO.
>
> Does that not apply to your context?
It doesn't, for reasons explained below.
> Not only an individual, but an organization
> can have a need for either no-tabs, all-tabs,
> or a mixture. That is (should be, IIUC) easy
> to do, no?
>
> Likewise, for use in any particular context
> (e.g. project, directory, etc.).
>
> The default value for _Emacs itself_ is what
> the current question is about. It of course
> needs to be easy for anyone and any group to
> set the setting they need, for any context.
The problem is that we have been relying on Emacs' defaults for a very
long time. In fact, `indent-tabs-mode' has defaulted to t for as long
as I can remember -- it was that way in Emacs 18 and Epoch.
> There's `site-lisp.el'. There are individual
> `custom.el' or init files. There are mode
> hooks. There are (probably - not familiar)
> project-wide hooks or settings via `project.el'
> or Projectile or whatever.
I don't use project.el or projectile, for the simple reason that I've
never needed to use them.
I don't think it would be simple to get my organization to provide
standard site init files or even dir-locals. They would rather have us
switch to NetBeans.
> Yes, if the Emacs default changed you or your
> organization/project/site might need to add
> a setting for it.
And if it doesn't change, all this trouble will have been avoided
beforehand.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-05 0:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-03 17:49 indent-tabs-mode default [was: Representation of the Emacs userbase on emacs-devel] Drew Adams
2021-09-03 18:35 ` Kaushal Modi
2021-09-04 2:21 ` Po Lu
2021-09-04 4:16 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-04 11:32 ` Po Lu
2021-09-04 14:44 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-05 0:37 ` Po Lu [this message]
2021-09-05 0:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-05 3:20 ` Po Lu
2021-09-05 3:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-05 5:39 ` Po Lu
2021-09-05 7:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-05 19:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06 1:19 ` Po Lu
2021-09-06 2:22 ` Tim Cross
2021-09-06 3:35 ` Po Lu
2021-09-06 4:11 ` Tim Cross
2021-09-06 5:40 ` Po Lu
2021-09-06 6:40 ` Tim Cross
2021-09-06 7:57 ` Po Lu
2021-09-06 8:13 ` Tim Cross
2021-09-06 11:13 ` Po Lu
2021-09-07 21:47 ` chad
2021-09-06 23:32 ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 2:39 ` Tim Cross
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-08-26 16:20 Gitlab Migration Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-26 17:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-27 7:00 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27 11:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-27 21:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-28 6:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29 2:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30 2:58 ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-30 12:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-31 11:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31 16:21 ` John Yates
2021-08-31 16:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-31 19:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31 19:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-01 11:35 ` John Yates
2021-09-02 3:38 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-02 19:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 6:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-03 6:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-03 10:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06 3:06 ` indent-tabs-mode default [was: Representation of the Emacs userbase on emacs-devel] Richard Stallman
2021-09-06 12:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-06 23:32 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-06 23:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
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