From: Juri Linkov <juri@jurta.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, pogonyshev@gmx.net
Subject: Re: Mode_switch in Emacs
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 04:43:14 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8764qaonfu.fsf@jurta.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv8xv7qvso.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 29 Nov 2005 11:24:48 -0500")
>> I see no reason to activate both XIM russian layout and LEIM russian
>> input method in Emacs.
>
> I hope we indeed all agree on this one ;-)
>
> Tho now that you mention it, I'm wondering: how do people deal with the
> situation where their keyboard is cyrillic and they want to use one of
> Emacs's input methods (which are all based on latin chars)?
All Cyrillic keyboards have Latin chars too, i.e. each of the most
physical keys has two labels: one for a Latin character, and one
for a Cyrillic character. So after switching XIM to a Latin layout
(not necessarily English, any Latin-based language layout will work)
it is possible to use Emacs's input methods on Cyrillic keyboards.
>> Somewhere С-ц may be preferable to C-w, but at least in Emacs I think
>> interpreting С-ц as C-w is more natural. However, this is still not
>> very useful in Emacs because it will enable only key sequences with
>> control/meta modifiers, but not with raw letters. I.e. what good is
>> to process С-ц as C-w, if `C-x b' will produce useless `C-x и'?
>
> That's a very good point indeed. It basically means we should
> postpone the decision whether to translate b into и to much later.
This would be nice. Ideally, all keys should be translated except
self-inserting keys. I.e. this translation should be opposite to
LEIM input methods: LEIM input methods translate self-inserting
ASCII characters to the target language, but with an active non-Latin
XIM layout, Emacs should translate non-ASCII components of non-self-inserting
key combinations to their ASCII equivalents.
> Now how does all the above look in the case of XIM input methods that map
> multi-key sequences to chars (typically for asian scripts)?
I guess this may not work with other XIM input methods. So instead of
blindly converting non-ASCII characters to ASCII for all XIM input methods,
perhaps Emacs should use a new variable with "non-ASCII to ASCII" mappings.
--
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-11-30 2:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-22 19:50 wish: right alt/meta to switch keyboard layout while pressed Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-22 22:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-11-23 5:14 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-23 19:52 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-25 15:50 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-11-25 18:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-11-23 6:07 ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-24 17:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-11-24 19:45 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-24 20:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-11-25 19:37 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-25 22:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-11-25 22:33 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-25 22:44 ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-11-26 16:43 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-27 5:26 ` Tomas Zerolo
2005-11-26 8:15 ` Eugene Vlasov
2005-11-26 19:44 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-28 20:33 ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-26 15:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-11-26 16:46 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-27 18:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-11-27 21:39 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-28 2:39 ` Mode_switch in Emacs (was: wish: right alt/meta to switch keyboard layout while pressed) Stefan Monnier
2005-11-28 20:27 ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-28 22:14 ` Mode_switch in Emacs Stefan Monnier
2005-11-28 23:08 ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-29 16:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-11-29 19:54 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-30 2:43 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2005-11-28 20:27 ` wish: right alt/meta to switch keyboard layout while pressed Juri Linkov
2005-11-28 23:14 ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-26 4:22 ` Richard M. Stallman
[not found] ` <200511261925.20191.pogonyshev@gmx.net>
[not found] ` <17288.41589.506361.323637@parhasard.net>
2005-11-26 23:01 ` thoughts on interaction of key bindings and input methods (was Re: wish: right alt/meta to switch keyboard layout while pressed) Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-27 1:48 ` Ben Wing
2005-11-27 5:35 ` Tomas Zerolo
2005-11-27 11:29 ` thoughts on interaction of key bindings and input methods (was Re: wish: right alt/meta to switch keyboard layout while pressed ) Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-28 5:25 ` thoughts on interaction of key bindings and input methods (was Re: wish: right alt/meta to switch keyboard layout while pressed) Ben Wing
2005-11-28 19:09 ` Paul Pogonyshev
2005-11-27 18:35 ` Aidan Kehoe
2005-11-28 2:39 ` wish: right alt/meta to switch keyboard layout while pressed Stefan Monnier
2005-11-28 20:28 ` Juri Linkov
2005-11-28 22:16 ` Stefan Monnier
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