From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK file selector Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:23:28 +0100 Message-ID: <85irtoadgf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> References: <1134552456.439fe58850f31@imp5-g19.free.fr> <878xuma53q.fsf@jurta.org> <17313.37186.344268.487103@parhasard.net> <87d5jxsgib.fsf@jurta.org> <17314.42778.220813.47226@parhasard.net> <17315.7877.155144.973236@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134774363 27265 80.91.229.2 (16 Dec 2005 23:06:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:06:03 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Aidan Kehoe , Juri Linkov , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 17 00:05:59 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnObs-0002AN-Pn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 00:03:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnOca-00040c-VK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 18:04:17 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnNzh-0006wA-Ea for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:24:05 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1EnNzg-0006vL-3x for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:24:04 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EnNzf-0006v6-T7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:24:03 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnO2A-0002Mj-Bt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:26:38 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lola.goethe.zz) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1EnNxM-00016S-Bg; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 17:21:45 -0500 Original-Received: by lola.goethe.zz (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 10B761C4F93D; Fri, 16 Dec 2005 23:23:28 +0100 (CET) Original-To: Nick Roberts In-Reply-To: <17315.7877.155144.973236@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> (Nick Roberts's message of "Sat, 17 Dec 2005 09:08:37 +1300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:47911 Archived-At: Nick Roberts writes: > > > Why do they abandon it? And what do they prefer instead? > >=20 > > They abandon it because of stagnant development, the design and > > implementation clusterfuck that is Mule from the perspective of > > European language users (search for =F6 not working again!) and > > minimal consideration for GUI users in this age of 17" > > screens. Among other reasons. > > Over the last three years that I've been contributing to Emacs, > development has been pretty active. Which would rather explain why people are abandoning it: those three years of development have never been released. > Without doing market research, any notion that people are abandoning > Emacs can only be anecdotal. Debian by now has "emacs-snapshot" as a package. People _are_ abandoning released versions of Emacs, also because of problems in the utf-8 department. CVS trunk is much better than anything that has been released, but few system administrators will, even when tempted to use it themselves, unleash an unreleased Emacs unto their users. > Perhaps you're bitter that XEmacs does seemed to have slowed down, > but please remember this list is for contributing to Emacs > development, not to knock it down. XEmacs at least sports more or less regular releases from their increasingly stagnant development code base. "Waiting for Emacs" would make for a scintillating piece of absurd theater, with the particularly rememberable line "Code, pig!". I have not yet figured out where XEmacs would come into play, though. ESTRAGON: Charming spot. (He turns, advances to front, halts facing auditorium .) Inspiring prospects. (He turns to Vladimir.) Let's release. =20 VLADIMIR: We can't. =20 ESTRAGON: Why not? VLADIMIR: We're waiting for Bugfixes. =20 ESTRAGON: (despairingly). Ah! (Pause.) You're sure it was here? =20 VLADIMIR: What? =20 ESTRAGON: That we were to wait. =20 VLADIMIR: He said from the trunk. (They look at the CVS tree.) Do you see any oth= ers? =20 ESTRAGON: What is it? =20 VLADIMIR: I don't know. A branch. =20 ESTRAGON: Where are the commits? =20 VLADIMIR: It must be dead. =20 ESTRAGON: No more weeping. =20 VLADIMIR: Or perhaps it's not the season. --=20 David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum