From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 10:54:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83sfj5g081.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y144EenDA8JT7QAO@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de)
> Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2022 09:38:41 +0100
> From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
>
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2022 at 07:45:39AM +0100, Gerd Möllmann wrote:
> > Since Richard is swamped with mails, I'd like to try and ask some
> > questions here.
>
> I had similar feelings about shorthands vs. (module) name spaces.
>
> I just couldn't figure out whether this was due to habituation
> or whether I was feeling a "real" problem
Before everyone starts presenting here that we made some nonsensical
decision when we added shorthands, let me remind us that it was added
to allow us to use packages like "s" (https://github.com/magnars/s.el),
"f" (https://github.com/rejeep/f.el) and other similar ones, which use
"problematic" function names. We wanted to be able to use packages
which have dependencies of those, while at the same time providing
reasonably-named aliases for them. (Gerd wasn't around back then, so
he is excused, but the rest of us were here, so please let's not
pretend those discussions never happened.)
See the following long discussions:
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-04/msg02055.html
https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2020-05/msg00016.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-30 8:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-30 6:45 Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-30 8:38 ` tomas
2022-10-30 8:54 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-10-30 9:14 ` tomas
2022-10-30 10:26 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-30 10:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 11:24 ` Is there a need for a module system Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-30 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 14:03 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-30 10:40 ` Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 11:06 ` tomas
2022-10-30 11:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-30 12:50 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-30 13:48 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-30 14:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-31 6:31 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-30 20:16 ` Helmut Eller
2022-10-31 6:27 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-31 12:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-10-31 12:57 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-31 13:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-10-31 19:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-11-11 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11 9:33 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-13 4:17 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-13 6:41 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-03 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-03 8:12 ` Michael Albinus
2022-11-03 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-03 5:33 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-03 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-03 8:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-05 16:49 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-05 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-07 7:47 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-07 12:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-08 6:19 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-08 9:54 ` João Távora
2022-11-08 10:35 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-08 15:40 ` João Távora
2022-11-08 15:47 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-11-08 22:43 ` João Távora
2022-11-09 6:57 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-09 7:23 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-11 4:34 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11 9:25 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-12 3:35 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-19 22:51 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-11-20 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20 18:55 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2022-11-20 19:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-22 12:14 ` [External] : " Richard Stallman
2022-11-22 14:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-20 8:08 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-12 3:35 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-22 19:37 ` Matt Armstrong
2022-11-23 7:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-26 23:32 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-27 9:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-30 23:55 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-23 7:42 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-12-14 22:21 ` Richard Stallman
2022-12-15 6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-17 14:53 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-22 18:01 ` Matt Armstrong
2022-11-22 18:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-23 0:55 ` Matt Armstrong
2022-11-23 7:49 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-23 12:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-11-11 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11 9:35 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-11 12:09 ` João Távora
2022-11-11 13:01 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-11 14:23 ` João Távora
2022-11-11 15:12 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-12 9:17 ` João Távora
2022-11-12 13:00 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-12 3:35 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-05 21:47 ` Eduardo Ochs
2022-11-06 9:05 ` Michael Albinus
2022-11-06 11:19 ` João Távora
2022-11-11 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11 10:09 ` João Távora
2022-11-12 3:35 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-12 10:11 ` João Távora
2022-11-12 14:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-12 15:20 ` João Távora
2022-11-12 17:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-12 18:45 ` João Távora
2022-11-14 1:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-14 6:33 ` João Távora
2022-11-14 11:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-11-14 13:41 ` João Távora
2022-11-14 3:13 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11 8:53 ` Michael Albinus
2022-11-11 4:35 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-11 7:10 ` Helmut Eller
2022-11-01 3:11 ` Ag Ibragimov
2022-11-02 20:11 ` João Távora
2022-11-03 5:12 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-03 20:04 ` A short defense of shorthands.el (but CL packages are still better) (Was: Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages) João Távora
2022-11-04 3:28 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-05 1:09 ` A short defense of shorthands.el (but CL packages are still better) João Távora
2022-11-07 7:44 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-07 10:18 ` João Távora
2022-11-08 5:02 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-08 5:18 ` João Távora
2022-11-05 3:13 ` Help sought understanding shorthands wrt modules/packages Richard Stallman
2022-11-06 11:31 ` João Távora
2022-11-08 0:27 ` Matt Armstrong
2022-11-08 4:52 ` João Távora
2022-11-08 5:34 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-09 4:03 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-09 5:42 ` Yuri Khan
2022-11-09 5:48 ` tomas
2022-11-09 6:02 ` Matt Armstrong
2022-11-09 7:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-11-09 8:34 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-11-09 10:07 ` Helmut Eller
2022-11-09 18:22 ` Matt Armstrong
2022-11-09 4:03 ` Richard Stallman
2022-11-09 5:13 ` Matt Armstrong
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-11-07 21:20 Payas Relekar
2022-11-08 9:40 ` João Távora
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