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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net,
	db48x@db48x.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Display of em dashes in our documentation
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 19:12:02 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83o87zxzql.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=KSJCE3qcJxPip2no_Rmwcxd_UFj2L3fe3M69vWCg5Fw@mail.gmail.com> (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 8 Oct 2021 11:09:13 -0400)

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 11:09:13 -0400
> Cc: rms@gnu.org, db48x@db48x.net, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, 
> 	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, juri@linkov.net
> 
> > So I'd prefer to deal with this differently: introduce a new
> > (buffer-local) minor mode, which will install a display-table, whereby
> > "problematic" Unicode characters will be displayed as their ASCII
> > equivalents or equivalent ASCII strings.  We already set that up
> > automatically on terminals that are incapable of displaying those
> > characters, but nothing precludes us from having such a feature on
> > demand for capable displays as well.  Then users who don't want the
> > effects of these characters on display could activate such a mode, and
> > solve their problems without affecting the actual contents of the Info
> > files.
> 
> That's an interesting idea.  So you propose that this minor mode could
> display many more problematic Unicode characters in a different way, and
> that it would not necessarily be limited to info?

Yes.

> I guess it doesn't take much coding, but the interesting question is
> which other Unicode characters it should cover.  I only know about em
> dash; are there others?

We could let users customize the list in some way.

> One drawback is that em dash is only confirmed to be problematic in some
> situations; that is when they are written "like—this" with no space in
> between, whereas in situations "like — this" I think it is much
> preferable to show the actual Unicode character.

That's splitting hair, IMO.  The latter should never happen in a
well-written manual.

> Actually, this gives me another way of how we could do it: in our info
> manuals, as the final step before displaying it, we do something like
> this (here quickly coded up as a hook):
> 
>     (defun sk/Info-fix-em-dashes ()
>       (save-excursion
>         (goto-char (point-min))
>         (let ((case-fold-search t)
>               (buffer-read-only nil))
>           (while (re-search-forward "\\([a-z”’']\\)—\\([a-z]“‘`'\\)" nil t)
>             (replace-match "\\1 — \\2" t)))))
> 
>     (add-hook 'Info-selection-hook #'sk/Info-fix-em-dashes)

What will that do to byte offsets in Info tag tables?  I'd rather
avoid modifying the buffer contents.

> In any monospace font, I certainly prefer this:
> 
>        When ‘recover-session’ is done, the files you’ve chosen to recover
>     are present in Emacs buffers.  You should then save them.  Only
>     this — saving them — updates the files themselves.
> 
> To this:
> 
>        When ‘recover-session’ is done, the files you’ve chosen to recover
>     are present in Emacs buffers.  You should then save them.  Only
>     this—saving them—updates the files themselves.

But that's against our style of writing documents, isn't it?  I
believe the usual US English style is not to leave whitespace around
em dash.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-10-08 16:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-08  1:49 "Raw" string literals for elisp Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08  7:10 ` Po Lu
2021-09-08 14:19   ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08  7:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 14:20   ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 11:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 14:27   ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 11:34 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-08 13:59   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-09-08 14:12     ` Adam Porter
2021-09-09  3:09   ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08 13:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-08 14:31   ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 15:27     ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 15:41       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 16:45         ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 16:01       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 18:24         ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 19:00           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 19:22         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-08 19:36           ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 21:11           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 21:24             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-09  6:52             ` tomas
2021-09-08 15:54     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 16:05     ` tomas
2021-09-08 16:42       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 20:08         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-08 20:18       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-09  7:04         ` tomas
2021-09-09 10:30         ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-09 11:36           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-09 13:33             ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-09 14:32               ` tomas
2021-09-14 10:43               ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-14 11:42                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-14 13:18                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-14 13:22                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-14 14:01                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-14 14:39                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-09-14 15:33                         ` Amin Bandali
2021-09-14 16:05                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-14 17:49                   ` Jose E. Marchesi
2021-09-08 20:40 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 21:28   ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-02 21:03   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04  0:13     ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-04  0:36       ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 12:00         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 15:36           ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” " Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 16:34             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-04 20:49               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 21:19                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-04 22:19                   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 11:20                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-05 17:08                       ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-06 20:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07  7:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05  8:55                 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-05 16:25                   ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-05 17:15                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 18:40                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-06 20:54                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07  6:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 13:14                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-07 13:34                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 14:48                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-07 16:00                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08  0:37                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-08  6:53                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 15:09                                       ` Display of em dashes in our documentation Stefan Kangas
2021-10-08 16:12                                         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-10-08 17:17                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-10  8:00                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-08 17:27                                           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-08 18:26                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-08 17:17                                       ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” string literals for elisp Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-08 17:42                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 18:47                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 20:01                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09  6:18                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 10:57                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 11:49                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 13:08                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 13:15                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 15:07                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-11  0:45                                                           ` linux console limitations Daniel Brooks
2021-10-12 10:18                                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-14  4:05                                                               ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-10  8:03                                                   ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” string literals for elisp Juri Linkov
2021-10-05 18:23                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-05 19:13                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-05 19:20                         ` Drew Adams
2021-10-05 17:13                   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 12:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 21:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 22:13                   ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-06 12:13                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 18:57                       ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-07  4:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 22:27                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-08 10:37                         ` Po Lu
2021-10-08 10:53                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-10-08 11:27                             ` tomas
2021-10-05 22:25                   ` character sets as they relate to “Raw†" Stefan Kangas
2021-10-06  6:21                     ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-07 22:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 12:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 12:52                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-06 13:10                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-10-06 11:53                   ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” " Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 18:57             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 19:14               ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-05 21:20                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06  3:48                   ` character sets as they relate to “Raw†" Matthew Carter
2021-10-04 22:29         ` "Raw" " Richard Stallman
2021-10-05  5:39           ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05  5:43             ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-10-05  8:24               ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 12:23               ` Eli Zaretskii

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