From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: rms@gnu.org, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, juri@linkov.net,
db48x@db48x.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Display of em dashes in our documentation
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2021 19:12:02 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83o87zxzql.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=KSJCE3qcJxPip2no_Rmwcxd_UFj2L3fe3M69vWCg5Fw@mail.gmail.com> (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 8 Oct 2021 11:09:13 -0400)
> From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2021 11:09:13 -0400
> Cc: rms@gnu.org, db48x@db48x.net, yuri.v.khan@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
> monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, juri@linkov.net
>
> > So I'd prefer to deal with this differently: introduce a new
> > (buffer-local) minor mode, which will install a display-table, whereby
> > "problematic" Unicode characters will be displayed as their ASCII
> > equivalents or equivalent ASCII strings. We already set that up
> > automatically on terminals that are incapable of displaying those
> > characters, but nothing precludes us from having such a feature on
> > demand for capable displays as well. Then users who don't want the
> > effects of these characters on display could activate such a mode, and
> > solve their problems without affecting the actual contents of the Info
> > files.
>
> That's an interesting idea. So you propose that this minor mode could
> display many more problematic Unicode characters in a different way, and
> that it would not necessarily be limited to info?
Yes.
> I guess it doesn't take much coding, but the interesting question is
> which other Unicode characters it should cover. I only know about em
> dash; are there others?
We could let users customize the list in some way.
> One drawback is that em dash is only confirmed to be problematic in some
> situations; that is when they are written "like—this" with no space in
> between, whereas in situations "like — this" I think it is much
> preferable to show the actual Unicode character.
That's splitting hair, IMO. The latter should never happen in a
well-written manual.
> Actually, this gives me another way of how we could do it: in our info
> manuals, as the final step before displaying it, we do something like
> this (here quickly coded up as a hook):
>
> (defun sk/Info-fix-em-dashes ()
> (save-excursion
> (goto-char (point-min))
> (let ((case-fold-search t)
> (buffer-read-only nil))
> (while (re-search-forward "\\([a-z”’']\\)—\\([a-z]“‘`'\\)" nil t)
> (replace-match "\\1 — \\2" t)))))
>
> (add-hook 'Info-selection-hook #'sk/Info-fix-em-dashes)
What will that do to byte offsets in Info tag tables? I'd rather
avoid modifying the buffer contents.
> In any monospace font, I certainly prefer this:
>
> When ‘recover-session’ is done, the files you’ve chosen to recover
> are present in Emacs buffers. You should then save them. Only
> this — saving them — updates the files themselves.
>
> To this:
>
> When ‘recover-session’ is done, the files you’ve chosen to recover
> are present in Emacs buffers. You should then save them. Only
> this—saving them—updates the files themselves.
But that's against our style of writing documents, isn't it? I
believe the usual US English style is not to leave whitespace around
em dash.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-10-08 16:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-08 1:49 "Raw" string literals for elisp Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 7:10 ` Po Lu
2021-09-08 14:19 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 7:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 14:20 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 11:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 14:27 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 11:34 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-08 13:59 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-09-08 14:12 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-09 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08 13:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-08 14:31 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 15:27 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 15:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 16:45 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 16:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 18:24 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 19:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 19:22 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-08 19:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 21:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 21:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-09 6:52 ` tomas
2021-09-08 15:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 16:05 ` tomas
2021-09-08 16:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 20:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-08 20:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-09 7:04 ` tomas
2021-09-09 10:30 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-09 11:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-09 13:33 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-09 14:32 ` tomas
2021-09-14 10:43 ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-14 11:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-14 13:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-14 13:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-14 14:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-14 14:39 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-09-14 15:33 ` Amin Bandali
2021-09-14 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-14 17:49 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2021-09-08 20:40 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 21:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-02 21:03 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 0:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-04 0:36 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 15:36 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” " Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 16:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-04 20:49 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 21:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-04 22:19 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 11:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-05 17:08 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-06 20:54 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 8:55 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-05 16:25 ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-05 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 18:40 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-06 20:54 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 13:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-07 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 14:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-07 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 0:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-08 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 15:09 ` Display of em dashes in our documentation Stefan Kangas
2021-10-08 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-10-08 17:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-10 8:00 ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-08 17:27 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-08 18:26 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-08 17:17 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” string literals for elisp Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-08 17:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 20:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 6:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 10:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 13:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 15:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-11 0:45 ` linux console limitations Daniel Brooks
2021-10-12 10:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-14 4:05 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-10 8:03 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” string literals for elisp Juri Linkov
2021-10-05 18:23 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-05 19:13 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-05 19:20 ` Drew Adams
2021-10-05 17:13 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 21:20 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 22:13 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-06 12:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 18:57 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-07 4:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 22:27 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-08 10:37 ` Po Lu
2021-10-08 10:53 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-10-08 11:27 ` tomas
2021-10-05 22:25 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw†" Stefan Kangas
2021-10-06 6:21 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-07 22:20 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 12:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 12:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-06 13:10 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-10-06 11:53 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” " Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 19:14 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-05 21:20 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 3:48 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw†" Matthew Carter
2021-10-04 22:29 ` "Raw" " Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 5:39 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 5:43 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-10-05 8:24 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 12:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
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