From: "Mattias Engdegård" <mattiase@acm.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
Anna Glasgall <anna@crossproduct.net>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: "Raw" string literals for elisp
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2021 18:45:29 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA6BD917-48E3-46FB-BB1E-E0992C990454@acm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=3tJfPfvM+cm0110ouZKCEZ+hAHOLeYWr--7bmKBDJTQ@mail.gmail.com>
8 sep. 2021 kl. 17.41 skrev Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>:
> But ELisp is also intended for end-users that want to hack together
> some quick command. They may be completely uninterested in spending
> even a minimum of time to learn rx, and prefer instead to use the more
> standard form they already know so they can just get their job done.
New reader syntax isn't something to be added lightly. Shouldn't there be a better reason than a belief that some people may be unwilling to learn already existing facilities of the language, especially when those are superior to the proposed addition?
> I'm not even sure that rx is the unequivocal first choice among
> hardcore ELisp programmers.
Their loss then. (And good to know I'm not hardcore!)
It's unfortunate that we've spent the last 50 years teaching generations of programmers that regexps are strings and they use backslashes, to the point that many actually believe it. Failure of education, and lack of proper tools!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-08 16:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-08 1:49 "Raw" string literals for elisp Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 7:10 ` Po Lu
2021-09-08 14:19 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 7:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 14:20 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 11:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 14:27 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 11:34 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-08 13:59 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-09-08 14:12 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-09 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08 13:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-08 14:31 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 15:27 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 15:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 16:45 ` Mattias Engdegård [this message]
2021-09-08 16:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 18:24 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 19:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 19:22 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-08 19:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 21:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 21:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-09 6:52 ` tomas
2021-09-08 15:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 16:05 ` tomas
2021-09-08 16:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 20:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-08 20:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-09 7:04 ` tomas
2021-09-09 10:30 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-09 11:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-09 13:33 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-09 14:32 ` tomas
2021-09-14 10:43 ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-14 11:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-14 13:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-14 13:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-14 14:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-14 14:39 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-09-14 15:33 ` Amin Bandali
2021-09-14 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-14 17:49 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2021-09-08 20:40 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 21:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-02 21:03 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 0:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-04 0:36 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 15:36 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” " Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 16:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-04 20:49 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 21:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-04 22:19 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 11:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-05 17:08 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-06 20:54 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 8:55 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-05 16:25 ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-05 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 18:40 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-06 20:54 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 13:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-07 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 14:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-07 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 0:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-08 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 15:09 ` Display of em dashes in our documentation Stefan Kangas
2021-10-08 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 17:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-10 8:00 ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-08 17:27 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-08 18:26 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-08 17:17 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” string literals for elisp Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-08 17:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 20:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 6:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 10:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 13:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 15:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-11 0:45 ` linux console limitations Daniel Brooks
2021-10-12 10:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-14 4:05 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-10 8:03 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” string literals for elisp Juri Linkov
2021-10-05 18:23 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-05 19:13 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-05 19:20 ` Drew Adams
2021-10-05 17:13 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 21:20 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 22:13 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-06 12:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 18:57 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-07 4:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 22:27 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-08 10:37 ` Po Lu
2021-10-08 10:53 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-10-08 11:27 ` tomas
2021-10-05 22:25 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw†" Stefan Kangas
2021-10-06 6:21 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-07 22:20 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 12:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 12:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-06 13:10 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-10-06 11:53 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” " Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 19:14 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-05 21:20 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 3:48 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw†" Matthew Carter
2021-10-04 22:29 ` "Raw" " Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 5:39 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 5:43 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-10-05 8:24 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 12:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
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