From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Daniel Brooks <db48x@db48x.net>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, anna@crossproduct.net
Subject: Re: "Raw" string literals for elisp
Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 15:00:50 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83k0it6lu5.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87o885tyle.fsf@db48x.net> (message from Daniel Brooks on Sun, 03 Oct 2021 17:36:45 -0700)
> From: Daniel Brooks <db48x@db48x.net>
> Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2021 17:36:45 -0700
> Cc: anna@crossproduct.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Indeed, using any non-ASCII characters in source files can have some
> > problems, which are very easy to avoid. We should not give syntactic
> > roles to them.
>
> We should be improving the terminal then, rather than constraining
> everything to the lowest common denominator. Unicode exists for an
> important accessibility reason, even if some of it is frivolous
> (emoji). Limiting Emacs source code to English and ASCII will ultimately
> only limit the acceptibility of Emacs rather than improve it.
We can only do this much. We don't develop any terminal emulators
here, except the two built into Emacs. Given that even the Linux
console turns out to have staggering gaps in its support for Unicode,
I see no reason for us to pretend Unicode is supported well enough on
the terminals to ignore this issue.
> For example, if someone contributes a mode it will normally be accepted
> as–is. But if they write the that mode using Japanese characters, would we
> turn them away? I think that we should not.
Why is Japanese different from any other script in this context? I
thin unnecessary use of non-ASCII characters, any non-ASCII
characters, should be avoided, for the reasons mentioned above. See
bug#50865 for a recent example that left me astonished.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-10-04 12:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-08 1:49 "Raw" string literals for elisp Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 7:10 ` Po Lu
2021-09-08 14:19 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 7:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 14:20 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 11:30 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 14:27 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 11:34 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-08 13:59 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-09-08 14:12 ` Adam Porter
2021-09-09 3:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08 13:10 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-08 14:31 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 15:27 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 15:41 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 16:45 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 16:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 18:24 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-08 19:00 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 19:22 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-08 19:36 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-09-08 21:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 21:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-09 6:52 ` tomas
2021-09-08 15:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-08 16:05 ` tomas
2021-09-08 16:42 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-09-08 20:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-08 20:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-09 7:04 ` tomas
2021-09-09 10:30 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-09 11:36 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-09 13:33 ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-09-09 14:32 ` tomas
2021-09-14 10:43 ` Augusto Stoffel
2021-09-14 11:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-14 13:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-14 13:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-14 14:01 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-14 14:39 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2021-09-14 15:33 ` Amin Bandali
2021-09-14 16:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-14 17:49 ` Jose E. Marchesi
2021-09-08 20:40 ` Anna Glasgall
2021-09-08 21:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-02 21:03 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 0:13 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-04 0:36 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 12:00 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-10-04 15:36 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” " Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 16:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-04 20:49 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-04 21:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-04 22:19 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 11:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-05 17:08 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-06 20:54 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07 7:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 8:55 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-05 16:25 ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-05 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 18:40 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-06 20:54 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-07 6:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 13:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-07 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 14:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-07 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 0:37 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-08 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 15:09 ` Display of em dashes in our documentation Stefan Kangas
2021-10-08 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 17:17 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-10 8:00 ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-08 17:27 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-08 18:26 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-08 17:17 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” string literals for elisp Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-08 17:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 18:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-08 20:01 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 6:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 10:57 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 11:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 13:08 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-09 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-09 15:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-11 0:45 ` linux console limitations Daniel Brooks
2021-10-12 10:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-10-14 4:05 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-10 8:03 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” string literals for elisp Juri Linkov
2021-10-05 18:23 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-05 19:13 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-05 19:20 ` Drew Adams
2021-10-05 17:13 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 12:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-05 21:20 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 22:13 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-06 12:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 18:57 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-07 4:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-07 22:27 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-08 10:37 ` Po Lu
2021-10-08 10:53 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-10-08 11:27 ` tomas
2021-10-05 22:25 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw†" Stefan Kangas
2021-10-06 6:21 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-07 22:20 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 12:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-06 12:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-06 13:10 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-10-06 11:53 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw” " Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 18:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-04 19:14 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-05 21:20 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-06 3:48 ` character sets as they relate to “Raw†" Matthew Carter
2021-10-04 22:29 ` "Raw" " Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 5:39 ` Daniel Brooks
2021-10-05 5:43 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2021-10-05 8:24 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-05 12:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
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